Main AFK cloaky thread

[Sonya_Corvinus]

@Mike_Voidstar

Nah, I just want to return the favor.

If it’s good for one side it’s good for the other. If he doesn’t want to be hunted by the residents he should leave space, like everyone else in EVE.

Return the favor, so you want to sit not PvE-ing and not killing anyone too? You can already do that.

[Teckos_Pech]

@Ag3nt_Jita

Local “infallible intel tool” stays infallible because it shows someone is in the system who might be dangerous(this is the purpose of local, to show who is in system and it cant be countered).

Is it? Are you sure? Way, way back there was some discussion about how CCP was not so happy with local being used in this manner, that it was not intended.

@Ag3nt_Jita

You choose to cloaky camp a system, you give up isk making.

You don’t say. Why it is almost like a cost…something you give up. Kind of like how you give up cash for a loaf of bread (or more accurately all the other things you could have spent that cash on).

@Ag3nt_Jita

If you place a cloaky camper into a system, you try to counter pve players from making isk in that system, but local stays infallible as you said before, you dont counter it.

Yes, but now people are not making ISK because of local. That tool that worked in their favor has been turned against them.

@Ag3nt_Jita

-Because being able to hold cloak on a safespot forever while the server is up makes you risk-free while you are in space and it is against the core concept of eve.

Mike is that you?

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Mike_Voidstar

Nah, I just want to return the favor.

If it’s good for one side it’s good for the other. If he doesn’t want to be hunted by the residents he should leave space, like everyone else in EVE.

You’re right, we should make the mechanic symmetrical. Farmers should also have the ability to make themselves immune to being hunted. We should allow them to voluntarily suspend all ISK generation and all ability to engage PvP targets (not that farmers would ever voluntarily do PvP), in exchange for complete immunity to being attacked. But this is a pretty powerful ability, so maybe it should be a module you have to fit. I think a high slot would be a pretty fair price to pay for something that powerful. Seems like a good idea, let’s submit this new farmer-safety module to CCP.

Oh wait…

[Ag3nt_Jita]

@Teckos_Pech

Is it? Are you sure? Way, way back there was some discussion about how CCP was not so happy with local being used in this manner, that it was not intended.

They must be so happy now that ppl play their game AFK

@Teckos_Pech

You don’t say. Why it is almost like a cost…something you give up. Kind of like how you give up cash for a loaf of bread (or more accurately all the other things you could have spent that cash on).

It is not a cost since you are AFK…

@Teckos_Pech

Yes, but now people are not making ISK because of local. That tool that worked in their favor has been turned against them.

You missed the point.

@Teckos_Pech

Mike is that you?

You guys cant stop speaking of risk and safe farming while you are risk-free and farming tears, which is another currency in eve, lol.

[Teckos_Pech]

@Ag3nt_Jita

It is not a cost since you are AFK…

Proof positive that some people will never ever learn.

@Ag3nt_Jita

You missed the point.

Actually I believe you did.

@Ag3nt_Jita

You guys cant stop speaking of risk and safe farming while you are risk-free and farming tears, which is another currency in eve, lol.

Yo butt brain. I don’t actually AFK cloak…well unless you count those few hours against FinFleet and since it is FinFleet it doesn’t count as they terrible.

[Ag3nt_Jita]

You failed big time Tesco

[Linus_Gorp]

@Teckos_Pech

Mike is that you?

I believe it’s that Lena Crews guy. Burned one character with ridiculously stupid comments and then moved on to the next, not noticing that he is the problem and that he can’t fix that with jumping characters.

[Ag3nt_Jita]

You are ridiculous.

[Mike_Voidstar]

You do realize that you can’t use a cloak when you are already targeted by something… like maybe a few dozen NPC ships?

Not that it matters, because IN SPACE should equal AT RISK. Especially with hostiles present.

It’s a sandbox game. The goal isn’t always to make ISK, that’s determined by the individual players doing what they want. So blubbering about making isk or not making isk isn’t a factor to this discussion, particularly when the not making isk is a free choice you could end at any time and isn’t forced on you by someone else.

So regardless, if the camper does not want people hunting him, maybe he should either leave space or take some kind of action to keep himself safe on an ongoing basis. Like Everyone Else.

But I get you are a special snowflake, and need your hand held. Bless your heart.

[Linus_Gorp]

@Mike_Voidstar

Not that it matters, because IN SPACE should equal AT RISK.

Then remove tethers, POS forcefields, gate cloaks, jump and undock invulnerability, Rorqual NEXUS cores and everything else I forgot to mention here.
Also remove local, since it’s way too powerful an intel tool.

[Mike_Voidstar]

Tethers and POS are outside of the discussion, as they both don’t count as in space (intended safe spaces, duh) and are vulnerable to being destroyed, though I’ll grant structure bashing isn’t quick and easy. Not all PvP has to be, it’s a sandbox after all that provides a wide array of choices.

Gate Cloaks you can have, though I’d just as soon see them enhanced so they keep you out of local until you break them, to address the one actual point Teckos has ever made.

Undock Invulnerablity is just part of being docked. It’s extremely limited in duration but otherwise comes with all the drawbacks of being cloaked without the benefit of keeping it while warping or under the player’s control.

Make cloaks act like PANIC and I’ll shut up forever. Limited Duration one use item? Hardly the kind of problem a practically free module that can be used forever is. Honestly I’d join your side of the debate at that point, as stealth should be a thing, just either not an invulnerable thing and/or a never ending thing.

[Linus_Gorp]

@Mike_Voidstar

Tethers and POS are outside of the discussion, as they both don’t count as in space (intended safe spaces, duh)

So, those are working as intended but cloaks aren’t? Hahaha. Hypocrite.

@Mike_Voidstar

Not all PvP has to be, it’s a sandbox after all that provides a wide array of choices.

It’s not a sandbox, it’s a PvP centric sandbox.

@Mike_Voidstar

Gate Cloaks you can have, though I’d just as soon see them enhanced so they keep you out of local until you break them, to address the one actual point Teckos has ever made.

Local in itself needs to go if you ever want anything to change about AFK cloaking. It was never designed to be the intel tool it’s being used for and CCP said time and again they will never change cloaking without also changing local. Because unlike you and yours, they understand the balance and they know exactly what making nullsec perfectly safe would lead to.

@Mike_Voidstar

It’s extremely limited in duration but otherwise comes with all the drawbacks of being cloaked without the benefit of keeping it while warping or under the player’s control.

Cloaks remove a highslot and they come with heavy drawbacks for ships that aren’t designed to use cloaks. The ships that are designed to use cloaks come with heavy drawbacks built-in into the hull. So no, undock vulnerability doesn’t come with the same drawbacks. It also doesn’t go away when someone comes to within 2km of you and it is entirely within the control of the player. He can just dock up again, or decide to take another action, ending it at his choosing.

@Mike_Voidstar

Make cloaks act like PANIC and I’ll shut up forever. Limited Duration one use item? Hardly the kind of problem a practically free module that can be used forever is. Honestly I’d join your side of the debate at that point, as stealth should be a thing, just either not an invulnerable thing and/or a never ending thing.

Except a cloak isn’t free (read above) and if you had the faintest clue about cloaky gameplay, you’d understand how ridiculously stupid that idea is.

[Teckos_Pech]

Maybe but I doubt it. I have seen Lena in other threads and have often agreed with Lena. Hell I have agreed with Mike in other threads too.

[Linus_Gorp]

Well, one leaves the other shows up, posts the same ■■■■■■■■ about AFK people should get logged off, same writing style… Could just be a coincidence, but rule #39 says that there’s no such thing as a coincidence. Could also be Anyil Took, or whatever that name was. He’s an alt of someone butthurt that was in here before, that much is certain.

[Teckos_Pech]

@Mike_Voidstar

Tethers and POS are outside of the discussion, as they both don’t count as in space (intended safe spaces, duh) and are vulnerable to being destroyed,

What? Being in a POS or tethered give similar benefits as being cloaked. You can observe the grid, use d-scan and with little fear of ship loss. With tethering you can even facilitate logistics work while AFK.

Since you ran down this road Mike it is totally fair game.

Further we don’t know exactly what CCP’s devs intended with cloaks. Was being pretty much 100% safe when cloaked at a secret safe intended? Quite possibly.

So all this talk of unintended is just speculative.

But we do know this. AFK cloaking has been a topic on the forums for a decade. CCP surely knows that one can be nearly 100% safe at a secret safe while cloaked. Yet they have left it alone and made periodic comments that it is largely fine or the are fine with it. That is not to imply things could be improved though.

[Mike_Voidstar]

I’d honestly be fine with removing tethering too, I thought it was silly. But it’s a station thing and not part of this discussion.

[Teckos_Pech]

I don’t see why. Tethering lets people facilitate nearly 100% logistics while totally AFK. It totally violates your mantra. You should not just be fine removing you should hate it.

[Ag3nt_Jita]

Except you can bump them off from tethering range easily, while a cloaky camper is 100% risk free elite pvper

[Linus_Gorp]

@Ag3nt_Jita

Except you can bump them off from tethering range easily, while a cloaky camper is 100% risk free elite pvper

Yes, you can also get shot and killed by the citadel while bumping someone that’s keeping a bookmark at range and will always return to the spot he was on…

[Ag3nt_Jita]

This is called risk but i know you havent heard of it.