Or, just go somewhere else. Not every hisec system is full of gankers. Another solution is to just log off. I think the whole concept of hisec ganking is gamey and unrealistic, because no RL pirates count on the loss of their own ship. Gankers are just what used to be called griefers, and penalties for ganking in hisec should be much, much higher than loss of a ship. But it is what it is, and because I don’t want to play the run-run-run-here-come-some-gankers game I just log off and go read a book. I have enough drama in RL; I don’t need more in an online game.
I can’t agree with you. While I’m not a fan of it, it’s a valid playstyle. The rules are what they are, so it’s not griefing, because it falls entirely within what’s allowed. Highsec shouldn’t be the safest place in the game, there is always risk when undocking your ship. And to be honest, after the mining ship buffs, if you lose your barge, it’s because you ■■■■■■ up. Either you didn’t fit enough tank, or you made yourself a juicy enough target, or you just pissed off the wrong people.
If you want a little more reward for your risk, you should look into mining gas clouds in lowsec. Takes more attention, but a lot more lucrative and you can make more in a venture in an hour than you could in highsec in a covetor sitting at an asteroid all day long.
Both are not mutually exclusive.
Just like scamming does not because less scam because it’s allowed.
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Well they are now ROFL.
Ah. You don’t play. Explains it all.
They are not in fact griefers. They are literally playing a valid playstyle supported by in game rules.
Its a good thing CCP disagrees with you. Your attitude is what is killing EVE 
LOL at logging off. Learn to local and d-scan kthx.
It literally isn’t griefing LOL.
As for scamming, cavet emptor and all that. Learn to EVE kthx
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Devs know I play.
Well, yeah, look up the word “griefer” and you will see that that’s exactly what they are. Their only purpose is to spoil the enjoyment of others. If they really wanted to fight, they would go to null. There, they would have all the fighting they want.
But as everyone knows, all they really want is easy targets. Thus, ganking. “Literally playing a valid playstyle”–don’t make me laugh. Just because a flawed game mechanic allows for it does not make it “valid.”
MY attitude is what is killing Eve? Just because I choose to log off and not play along with a juvenile activity? Well…too bad. What are YOU going to do about it? Follow me into RL and punish me there? What is CCP going to do about it? Are they going to cancel my account because I choose not to be a target? Logging on or not is my decision. What I do with my time is up to me, not some stranger(s) on the internet. If you don’t like it, tough.
The very idea of someone laughing at me for logging off and finding something better to do with my time instead of being a target for some 20-something griefer is so incredibly absurd…but of course this is the internet.
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So are real-world deer hunters griefers, too?
ROFL. No, no they aren’t griefing. They are literally playing the game as intended. You’re only an easy target if you choose to be one. You literally have local LOL. And it isn’t a flawed game mechanic bruv, it is literally a game mechanic.
Like you are literally able to kill people in sec space, just different secs carry different consequences.
Why would I want to punish IRL for a vidya game? Sir, if you got those kinda urges, I mean there are hotlines for that. Or sling me 500 mil, and I’ll see what I can do yennoe?
And yes, I am laughing at you sir. For logging off, for thinking gankers are griefers and for letting them gank you
LOL sure. Even tho you admitted to not flying a mining ship in a while and didn’t know what a Higgs did.
Sigh. Why lie pumpkin pie?
Just admit you didn’t really know what you were talking about.
EVE has many ways to skin a cat, but all involve playing with said cat in the first play, ya feel?
I admitted to not mining as in present tense. I have used mining ships in the past but the activity simply isn’t worth it.
Saddly mining really is the bottom of the barell activity.
I try it now and then, Venture, Orca, Procurer… Always the same story, low sec, high sec…
No fun. Not very profitable.
This is why I do not see many miners around.
L4 missions give more minerals per hour for reprocessing.
I purpose mining should be about 3x faster.
Then let the economy balance things out.
Cheap ships are good aswell.
Now only bottleneck for T1 sub battleships are various minerals. And mining those is just not worth the time.
Also I did an experiment… 1 frigate 1 venture low sec… I got more minerals ratting than mining at same time.
This just should not be the case.
Specialised mining ship worth 70-80 million shuld get more minerals than Marauder doing an L4 mission.
Marauder then gets LP, isk and sometimes expensive loot…
Meanwhile barge with Orca buffs, gets some rocks worth less.
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Of course you get low returns when you use low yield ships.
Try the Hulk or Mackinaw. Much better mining ship than the venture, orca and proc.
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This is wrongheaded thinking. The reason mining is unprofitable is because there are too many miners. An alternative possibility is that there is a correct way to mine profitably (nullsec) and other methods of mining are a waste of time in comparison, like highsec solo mining.
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So what are the mining revenues from using a decent ship in null sec?
Nobody mines in Eve. The income is too low.
Yes indeed, they are griefing. There is no gameplay point to what they do. They just do it because they can. I’m sure that when the developers were having their meetings to determine the parameters of this game and were hashing out the whole concept of Concord, they didn’t want to make hisec attacks impossible, just unlikely. I’m sure somebody said “Well, nobody is going to be stupid enough to take an action with a 100% probability of getting their own ship destroyed.”
Little did they know…
But I’m curious to know why someone would bother to grief someone in hisec. If they want to fight, there is plenty of no-rules fighting to be had in null. But these types are not interested in fighting. They just want easy targets. I think they just get their kicks by ruining the gaming session of somebody who only wants to spend a couple hours after a hard day at the RL office or factory and mine and build stuff. That’s the very definition of griefing.
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Why are you laughing at me for logging off? My time is my time. Why do you care? Oh yeah, I forgot–more people logging off when griefers show up means fewer easy targets.
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No, no they aren’t griefing LOL.
It is a literal intended facet of the game.
CONCORD - EVE University Wiki Read it and weep bruv
No, its an intended function of EVE. You want all that? Play No Man’s Sky
Cause imagine you’re so triggered by vidya game you decided to play, that you throw a tantrum and log off because you don’t know what an MMO is.
It is delicious
mining imo should be an afk activity which in turn justifies its low income compared to other activities. Like if I want to read a book but play eve at the same time mining would permit that.
That’s got to be to worst idea here yet… in case you missed it, we just had to go through a HUGE changeover to mining, why? AKF and bot miners ruining the market/game.
You want to be ‘Away From the Keyboard’, then just step away all together. Quit trying to turn EvE into “angry birds” or some other stupid BS, no skill game.
Eve was never ment to be an AFK game, and every MMO that plays to that kind of mentality, goes right down the drain with it.
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