Amazing how this thread still has all this discussion when you posted “the end” in the first reply.
I would love to see that during a suicide gank…in high sec.
What about rigs, a mid slot and enough grid and CPU to fit a MWD? Would seem to solve a lot of problems…
I have a 13 km/s Vagabond that would catch up to you in less than 8 seconds. And bump you. Again…
I would love to see something that can’t happen because the fitting isn’t possible… in fiction.
People who use a MJD already have been caught again after use.
Here’s a nifty thing called “actually has happened”
Dodixie is high sec in case you don’t know.
Okay…no. If you are not stupid and do not overload your freighter and use a webber you should generally be fine. Of course “generally be fine” does not mean 100% safe.
Now, if you want to argue for a MJD fine. But it should come with a cost–i.e. that you do no longer get CONCORD protection or that CONCORD has an even longer delay.
Suicide ganking is generally done to those people who can be described with a single word: idiot.
When you:
- Put more than 3 billion in your freighter.
- Set your route through Niarja and/or Uedama.
- Do not use a scout.
- Do not use a webber.
- OMFG…why are you using autopilot…
- Come back to a wreck.
When you have done 1-5 and find yourself looking at 6 you goddamned asked for it. No, really. You have no sympathy form me. You made a loot pinata and are surprised somebody beat on it till it burst? Are you F—ing stupid? Really, go sit a corner and ruminate on this for a bit.
You know that loot drops are 50%, so if you put X amount of cargo value in your freighter then on an expectations basis 0.5*X will drop. You can then calculate a “safe” amount of cargo value to carry. If it Takes 500 million ISK to gank your freighter under favorable circumstances, then do not go over 1 billion ISK in cargo value…especially when you consider that most gankers are looking for profit an not breaking even.
Seriously, this is not some complicated thing…you can sit down and figure it the ■■■■ out. If you aren’t doing this then you deserve what you get and ■■■■ off with all your whinging ■■■■■■■■.
No…really ■■■■ off. ■■■■ and stop positing on the forums.
Now…that being said, if you want to fit a MJD on your freighter fine…but you can also be scrammed with no CONCORD penalty. You do NOT get to have your cake and eat it too.
If you don’t like this…well tough ■■■■. HTFU or STFU and GTFO.
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Nobody should ever be able to scram a non-legal target in high security space without CONCORD penalty.
I don’t see an issue with giving freighters a MJD, as long as it has a longer spool up time than battleship MJD. It wouldn’t be hugely useful because ganks usually happen quickly unless you’re autopiloting your freighter. The MJD rewards an active player by giving them ways to get away. It doesn’t give them a get-out-of-jail-free card, and it doesn’t really reward passive players at all. Sounds to me like the right thing to add.
And I don’t see a reason to do so.
There are haulers that can fit an MJD. Why devalue them by buffing freighters even more? Freighters already are probably overpowered as judged by their popularity over the other hauling ships, and I have yet to see a compelling argument why they need to be made even stronger.
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My but you are dense. The bump ship doesn’t scram. It only bumps. Here, I’ll lay the situation out so you can understand it. You jump 100km using the MJD on your freighter. I catch up to you in 8 seconds and bump you, and keep bumping you until my ganker buddies show up and fleet warp to me, which is right next to you. You then get scrammed and nuked, because your MJD is still cooling down. And Concord doesn’t do a damn thing to me because all I did was bump you…
Scram…
Again, my fleet warps to me and scrams you. It’s that simple. Long story short, a MJD on a freighter would serve no purpose other than to make your inevitable demise take a few minutes longer…
That is not what you said. I’ve quoted you twice now. You said.
Nothing about a fleet. Just a bump Machariel or fleet stabber catching up in seconds and “scram you”.
I don’t fly a freighter. I don’t give a ■■■■ if it gets a MJD. I said I would like to see your bump ship “scram” someone. Like you said…again nothing about a fleet.
Anyway, now that that’s out of the way, that’s exactly what would happen, and why an MJD is useless on a freighter.
Cool story.
LOL, the butthurt is strong with this one…
Yours:
Agreed.
Yeah.
Fair.
Wrong. You’re not differentiating enough.
Fair.
Theirs:
Both fair points. The “alt” argument sadly is not ever going to go away and both intended by CCP and subtly pushed towards by game mechanics.
Agreed. Someone who hastily clicks it will just land on a spot even a frigate could reach before he could warp off.
This is not true, but to be fair it absolutely is situational. Way too many factors involved. There is no 100% here, you just never get to see any notes of those who don’t get killed.
You are being unfair, as you apparently never actually did that for a longer time period.
Here starts the crux of the matter.
I see your proposal and I actually believe that there is some merit to it. Giving people more options is not a bad thing and no one out there can claim that giving freighter pilots the ability to use an MJD will have any significant impact on the game play just per doing so. No.
When we add the human factor into this, we have something to work with. There are only a few different types of “pilots” out there and we can actually list them.
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— Pilot is AFK.
It does not matter if he has one. -
— Pilot is not AFK, not panicking.
He has a chance. If the gankers’ setup isn’t in a position to deal with it, he can get away by jumping 100km into his travel direction … which is not his ship’s direction, because he is getting bumped. The chance of him getting saved by that is rather slim, unless the bumper fucks up and the freighter pilot gets a lucky bump which could allow him to jump towards the gate. -
— Pilot is not AFK, panicking
He’s dead, Jim.
“Too much fun” is not a thing at all and makes it look like you have a personal issue with other people enjoying killing freighters, which you should leave out of threads and discussions. I can agree on it being rather one sided. More options are good to have, even if they fail at actually doing anything.
I see no harm in having this implemented. It will change nothing at all, and that is not even because many people are going to use it exactly as much as they are fitting their freighters … they won’t.
Which brings me to the actually most important aspect of every single thread about ganked freighters:
Freighters got the ability to fit lowslots yet many do not use them. There will always be people who get ganked, simply because they refuse to tank their ships or use all available options. The “use an alt” option simply is valid, because it is being used as an option by a fuckton of people and the whole game works around that fact.
Arguing that people should not be forced to have alts is correct, but that does not justify giving them an unfair advantage over others just because they refuse to use either alts, or finding friends. Again, the whole game works because of people using alts and finding friends, so giving those who refuse to do so a way of “keeping up” with those who do is not only unfair to the vast majority of people out there, but it is especially unfair to the tiny minority of people (less people than freighter pilots) who gank freighter pilots.
Worst of all, in any case, is that the ganking will not stop. You, or someone like you, will make a new thread with a new idea trying to address something that is, in fact, not an issue at all outside of all the propaganda and hate people constantly spread to make it look like suicide gankers are monsters…
… which is why I assume you’ve created this thread. Fact is that freighter ganking is fine, freighter bumping could need more options, and the chance of getting ganked is not going to change no matter if they get their MJD or not. If this ever gets implemented, the first freighter pilot who had an MJD and got ganked will get pointed right at you, OP.
On the other hand is there an argument for realism.
It is a big fat ship that is supposed to be escorted, especially because it contains high values. That is the common sense thing to do. The ability for literally everyone to have and use one does not actually change that at all.
Furthermore is suicide ganking literally the only threat for freighters in highsec and without that happening, their value would just plummet eventually. Less freighters ganked just means that industralists as a whole earn less from selling them, until they stop being profitable to produce because there are way too many of them.
Exactly. More freighters going boom is good for everyone…