Who cares what’s in his head when reporting as long as he’s reporting things that legitimately break the new rule. Thought policing is - as far as I know - still a fictional plot device.
And it’s not like you haven’t already proven yourselves ineffectual at reining in people “posting out of spite” right here in GD. How many “last warnings” from you guys have been ignored without consequence?
The worst idea in the history of the forums was the forums inception.
Failheap Challenge used to be where the cool hep kats hung out.
9 posts have been removed for the below stated reasons. A few edge cases have been left.
1. Specifically restricted conduct.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to courteous when disagreeing with others.
In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are:
Trolling
Flaming
Ranting
Personal Attacks
Harassment
Doxxing
Racism & Discrimination
Hate Speech
Sexism
Spamming
Bumping
Off-Topic Posting
Pyramid Quoting
Rumor Mongering
New Player Bashing
Impersonation
Advertising
And once again flagged replies that blatantly violate Forum Rules are left active and you pass these off as ‘edge cases’?
Profanity
Trolling
Flaming
Personal Attacks
Well said @ISD_Buldath .
If more people bore these principles in mind when writing, this forum might be a friendlier more productive environment.
Not sure how the humans act where you come from, but here on Earth, anonymity + allowing alpha posting + inept moderation = complete forum fuckery.
Regarding the profanity rule. How does it make any sense when the forum has a profanity filter?
■■■ ■■■ ■■■■■ ■■■■■ ■■■■■■■■■■■■■? ■■■■ ■■■■ ■■■■■■ ■■■■■■?
(How are white boxes inappropriate? Does this offend anyone?)
Maybe the rule should include using profanity to harass someone or something? A blanket ban on words, especially when these words are already censored seems weird.
Because once, you had to be over 13yo to post in the first place.
Then they made it so anyone could write whatever ■■■■■■■ ■■■■ they liked.
Huh. Apparently ■■■■ with an e on the end is perfectly fine.
I bet so is ■■■■
If you’re talking about words that got used by Father Jack to get around the profanity rules on TV, then you’re a bit slow 
No, if you add an e onto ■■■■ its apparently fine.
Buncha smeeegheeeds you all are.
Yeah, I prefer grey boxes.
Ummm … Hackney in east London as it happens, in the United Kingdom, on the planet Earth, seventh orbital body in the solar system, the western spiral arm of the Milky Way, Virgo Local Supercluster, Laniakea Supercluster … space
To be fair on the mods here, I think implying that “inept moderation” is somehow in this equation is a bit unfair.
I’m not suggesting for a second that all mods are utterly brilliant all the time, or that I agree with all their decisions, but given that they’re all volunteers and given the fact that they are trying hard to do a very difficult job, and that, to a degree, they suffer from the ‘dammed if you do, dammed if you do not’ criticism, I think to level this at them is unfair.
The truth is that virtually everyone here is an adult and therefore responsible for their own choices and decisions.
Swearing, being insulting, dismissive, obnoxious or just rude is a choice.
You can choose to do this, or you can choose to follow @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode’s advice, namely, contribute to the topic, say something nice or alternatively, say nothing.
It’s that simple.
There are a good deal of fights and insults thrown around, and an even greater deal of shenanigans and trolling, absolutely, but I don’t consider low moderation to necessarily be a problem as these posts are almost always relevant to and don’t derail threads, and because they serve as a dialogue between EVE players that simply wouldn’t happen elsewhere because they don’t talk in-game or on Discord or anything like that. It’s also worth noting that the friendly bantering and inside jokes that form between forum users DOES usually lead to direct communications outside of forums… but that doesn’t mean they don’t want to continue having fun on the forums!
If there’s one area of improvement I’d like to see when it comes to a need for increased moderation, it lies with with moderating overtly toxic forum users such that:
.Here’s the thing: each of the three things I listed above require examining a user’s post history as a whole and not individual posts. On a case by case basis, each post might be tolerable (even if barely) but cumulatively amount to a toxic user that merits warnings (“dude, you need to chill the ■■■■ out or we’re going to start banning you” kind of thing), softbans, or permabans on unconstructive members of the forum community. Being here should be a privilege, not a right.
I have not rolled out Discourse before so I don’t know what the backend looks like or if it has such a native feature or not, but if there were basically a hidden “extremely toxic post” flag that usable by mods that could be associated by posts, then you have a quantifiable metric by which to identify the most toxic users and the ones that need the most moderating based on frequency and percentage of toxic posts (especially if the toxicity % does not include the number of posts made before the rollout of said feature). Not every “extremely toxic post” needs to be moderated (whether or not it is flagged for moderation by users), but any mods skimming through mods can easily hit the “extremely toxic post” button to tally up and identify long-term patterns of behavior that demand closer scrutiny. Mods should also consider messaging users directly to give them warnings even when such a warning was not prompted by a flag-for-moderation.
Forums don’t have a problem with spam, so no such flags need to be tracked for trolling/banter/etc. We have a toxicity problem, nothing more.
I fully agree. But apparently the ISD don’t as they let it slide all the ■■■■■■■ time even though that behavior is explicitly pointed out in the rules as unacceptable.
If they choose not to moderate then why are they here?
The post by @Archer_en_Tilavine reminded me about this. When I read it I was fairly shocked. While it’s really rude (and even more so, given that the person this person is insulting is a volunteer) it’s also condescending and quite spiteful.
Just yet another example of an instance where saying nothing would have been better since this kind of diatribe really takes us nowhere and it’s juyst a particularly nasty personal attack.
Needless to say, I’ve flagged it.
As I’ve said, it’s a really hard job.
Whatever they do (some) people will poke at them and will point out their failures. They’re dammed if they do and they’re dammed if they don’t.
They do moderate but it’s not perfect, possibly because it’s a hard job, possibly because they’re human, but either way, the rest of us can help.
Lastly, if you really feel strongly that the moderation needs better quality moderators, you (as in the collective ‘you’) might like to consider stepping up to the plate and volunteering to be a mod yourself.
So is being a doctor.
Would you be an apologist for one of them if they ended up killing patients when volunteering at a clinic? “Never mind the dead people. Look at how hard the poor guy’s job is.”
That’s a metaphor alluding to your behavior in apologizing for inept moderation, by the way. So don’t make it in to something it isn’t intended to be.
There’s always someone else that can actually do the job. If the Devs gave a ■■■■ about this forum, these guys wouldn’t be working here. It would be a paid position for people who know how to moderate.
I couldn’t help but notice that there is very heavy overlap between the forum users who heavily complain about moderation/are the most critical of moderators and the forum users who are the most toxic/contribute the least meaningfully. These users tend to gravitate to each other to form one giant cesspool of users constantly liking, building up on, defending each other’s comments. Interestingly enough, this banding together appears to transcend the topic of moderation and happens on other threads of entirely different topics. For some reason, scum really like to be in the company of other scum. I suppose this has to potential of making it easier for the moderators to clean up the place when they voluntarily cluster together 
The Nicolai fanclub? The Aiko sycophants? The high sec hate gang?
You’re going to have to be more specific.