New Wardec mechanics - can't wait!

Nope, my comments here are based on a being in hisec for an extended period and seeing the impact your blanket war decs have, and also the view of a very uninterested nullsec alliance. It is not sorted at all, apart from in your own mind.

That should also sort out this snippet of angst:

@Sukara_Vespara Got it? I have already explained this to you earlier in the thread when you missed the fact that I had spent three years in hisec out of the last five. Maybe you need to have your memory tested?

When people resort to saying come and hit me in game, that is emotiveā€¦

It is possible he might just want to play the game. It is a PvP gameā€¦

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Well he is quite welcome to come to Catch?

The plot thickens ā€¦

Like custard?

Not really, just pointing out that your opinion is created by your own ignorance. You choose to ignore war decs because:

Which results in:

You seem intelligent, I donā€™t know why i have to break it down to explain stuff to show iā€™m not being ā€˜emotionalā€™.

Well when in hisec after one war dec I just watched them for a couple of days, worked out when they had the least cover and then proceeded to mess with the guy farming kills unsupported on the Jita undock and reduced his kill rate to almost nothing for three days. They did not renew the war dec. So I am ignorant, or am I able to apply higher level strategies?

I have tried pushing people in hisec and nullsec to go after war deckers and that is the answer I get given.

Well when people say that sort of thing they can be, as you were not, I apologize for saying that. By the way you were one of the war deckers that I watched directly for a while operating, just so you knowā€¦ Kinda funny thatā€¦

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There isnā€™t unless youā€™re looking to say this is bad without reinforcement, but when you include reinforcement itā€™s also bad.

As I expected.

Most of you guys are useless.

High-sec will be changed. You know this. You are only making sure your voice wonā€™t be taken into account by supporting the status-quo, shooting down propositions to change it, and more importantly by proposing nothing on your side.

You need to be brutally honest rather than sugar coating the statement. It is not ā€œalmost totally risk freeā€ but is completely risk free to declare war. Everything else already exists in the game without war.

But isnā€™t this the point? There is no reward from declaring war. Thus no need for risk. And the actual fighting part has itā€™s own risk-vs-reward model.

There is a reward for declaring war. You donā€™t get concorded.

Then why do you do it?

An even better question, why do you think people go to war in general?

No. CONCORD is a punishment and you still get punishment when you attack the wrong ships. Nor does the war declaration remove the punishment only for the aggressor, but for both parties. So there is still no reward.

Changing the topic again? Did we not go over this before when you place a strawman and loaded question?

Half truth. Concord is a punishment device that doesnā€™t actually care about when you fight in null space. As such the attacker wishes to attack without Concord blowing them up. The defender does not get a choice on this. You are paying for Concord to not interfere in the fighting. This is a removal of risk for you.

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No. The punishment is removed for both sides. What you perceive as a reward is a placebo effect. Nobody gets more or less than the other side. Whatever benefit you see for yourself counts just as much as for the other side and so there cannot be a benefit.

As I saidā€¦ You are paying for Concord to not interfere. This is a penalty to the defender who doesnā€™t wish to fight. Not a reward. This is not going to change because you deny that a defender might want that Concord protection.

No. The moment youā€™ve joined a player corporation have you also signed up for corporate warfare. You donā€™t want an irremovable CONCORD protection.

But when you do want this, which is fair, then youā€™ve only made a mistake and need to go back into an NPC corporation.

Now I know this gets the discussion back to the start, but maybe you want a different type of corporation. One where you donā€™t have to sit in an NPC corporation, but where you can be on your own and with your friends, and not get exposed to corporate warfare.

The risk of creating a corporation in general is not a substitution for someone declaring that on my side by my choice you lose a benefit. It would be like deleting your ability to post at the cost of my ability to post. You donā€™t gain anything and I pay the cost for you not posting forever. The silence and strawman argument would remain forever un-responded to.

That would be arguing we donā€™t need corporations for any purpose in the game and should convert all players into npc war and non-war status.

So weā€™re discussing faction warfare for you again?