Off-Topic Thread vol. 2

I will go and directly take exception to this, I am not native to the Gallente Federation, and though my capsuleer certification is through the Federal Navy Academy by way of some favors and strings pulled, that is about the extent of my ‘nativeness’ therein. Me and my people are not, and should not be considered members or party to the Gallente.

That out of the way, I do not dispute that the handling of much of things by one Warden Eskola-Fae is, and has been problematic. That in mind, much of this started, prior to much of what you’ve stated, with gangs and criminal elements igniting a turf war, the Accords did, initially, act within their rights to counter those criminal elements and gangs, as given to them by their settlement agreements with the Thukker Tribe. things got complicated incredibly quickly when Efrit came out backing Krullefor, after we(both UNF forces and BosAc) had been advised by REPUBLIC NATIVES(at least three local clans to the Heath, and two clans from other parts of the republic to my knowledge that I myself interacted with) not to back the Krullefor Organization or Seykal Headhunters as it would be seen worse than siding with the Cartel even.

The situation in Skarkon, and the wider heath has been a political shitstorm well before Efrit was ever laterally promoted to Khumatar with the, pretty clear implication of ‘clean up your mess,’ and he’s only doubled down on the mess he made up to, and even after final liminality. That is… not great. and he’s now had another lateral promotion with the clear implication ‘die for your people, you will serve some use at least,’ makes me think that overall it is self-correcting, even with the RJD no longer able to investigate him properly.

My greatest issue, overall, is that, from the outside looking in, the man has a hubris problem even greater than many a capsuleer. He funded criminals to disparage and damage another tribe, he funded criminals to actively fight eachother with republic civilians caught in the crossfire. HE DOUBLED DOWN on that by ‘raising’ one of the criminal elements he funded, that had been actively brutalizing and shaking down civilian centers during their turf wars with the cartel across the Heath, and even after being elevated to ‘legitimacy’ continued acting as a gang of opportunistic thugs and brigands, against ‘the people they were protecting.’ All the while Efrit decrying any evacuations not overseen by his forces as slaving? It being such a massive farce Of showmanship is why I did not pull out my own units until the very late stages of the weaving. I don’t blame the Sanmatar for giving the man war emergency powers in the system as it was already going to hell by first liminality, but UNF and Bosena Accords offered multiple cease fire attempts to fight against the triglavians, and overall attempt to de-escalate the ground situation the first two times system was invaded and both the triglavians and edencom withdrew, We had offered and begun preparations to fully pull back all units when the RJD initially announced its investigations against the Efrit, Krullefor, and Seykal, and even as first liminality was finally reach upon the third invasion we again offered to try and bring the conflict down. But Efrit continued escalating further and further, civilians taking the worst of the abuses as he got rid of anyone who didn’t fall perfectly in line or criticized him by claiming them a sympathizer, or a cartel operative, or a ‘disguised warclone to be executed’ being his most popular form of dispatch. I’ve continued, even now, evacuating civilians off of Skarkon II, even now with the orbital corridors far more dangerous, even with Seykal mercenaries still holding their tactical nuke threats up, and even now as the system is worse off than it ever was at the Most brutal height of Operation Galatine. ■■■■ I’ve even pulled out Krullefor and other UTSF elements that were cut off and wanted out. They’ve all been returned to the Republic proper, despite the Valklear General Efrit continuing to rave we’re nothing but mindless slavers, butchers, and outsiders while the system burns down around him.

As for Galm and his handling of things and his attempts to bring Svarog Clade’s focus to an area we had long since evacuated before they landed enmasse, I commend his attempts at trying to focus them somewhere. That was smart. What was not smart was him trying to tout it as being otherwise an open cease fire in other areas. Svarog Clade have shown a preference to engage in the declared ‘proving area’ in Ishuhuolvi, but they regularly make excursions to other areas, and even have full control of a fair portion of previously held land by UTSF, and as news and broadcasts have shown, though they don’t actively target civilians to be hunted down, they are just as indiscriminate as the Seykal and Krullefor were with their weaponry in the presence of civilians, and do not differentiate.

tl;dr: I am not a Fed Native. I recognize he’s your asshole. He has a god complex larger than a capsuleer’s, and I still would relish the opportunity to kick him in the balls if I ever got the opportunity. He’s already a dead man walking with his lateral promotion so issue is taking care of itself.

Yes; it’s one of the 3rd party semi-legal GalNet comms networks capsuleers use.

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The situation in the Heath radically changed at this point. To go by advice given before it was a mistake.

I’m not sure I like to defend Seykal, but here I have to. Seykal are ruthless and their forces don’t respect anyone who gets in the way, but they are no Svarog. They are tribal.

On Skarkon, Seykal were engaged in a civil war among our people, and I have my opinions about that, but it was not an invasion, and they have been part of the evacuation operations since the sun went dark. Svarog has invaded the planet, removed its tribal government, and is engaged in a mass eradication of local clans and local life.

Comparing those and calling them the same is an insult to Seykal, and though them the Thukker, and through them the tribes.

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I was, generally, referring to Seykal conduct before they were paid to care and help with evacuations. At which point, them being able to reign in their people at all garnered some respect that they had lost, in my eyes. They are not blood thirsty butchers, but are quite trigger happy and don’t discriminate or care in regard to collateral damage unless they’re paid to. This is not limited to just the Seykal Expeditionary Group/Headhunters, its a trend I’ve noticed in many ‘still legitimate’ warclone groups loyal to the empires.

Similar tendencies toward indiscriminate violence does not equate them to being the same, and I apologize for the unintended insult therein caused by the misunderstanding and my lack of concise language on the matter.

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The most lukewarm apology I’ve seen in a while, but accepted.

I’m near on thirty-six hours without sleep, and even with clonejumping And copious amounts of caffeine, it is starting to catch up with me.

Legal proceedings to overturn a decision and/or to bring to light corrupted officers does not mean denying the legal authority of the body that made those decisions or included that corrupt officer in its ranks.

By stoking those procedures as a civil war between RJD and RSS, both parties sworn to serve the same coalition of free tribes, Bosena Accords did great harm to the region and pushed Skarkon over the brink of restlessness into open warfare. It was a blunder only an outsider without the grasp of nuance in such things could have done, and had it not lead to so much death and destruction it would serve as a fine comedy of manners.

Not public knowledge these days, but I am +9.5 RSS in the official records myself, still. Does it put me in their good books after the coup, after the Gultratren Conspiracy? No, it does not. Did it make them happy that I interfered in the Sundsele Six case and fueled the riots in Amo when the case was handled poorly? Absolutely not.

Did the old connection help me deal with them when it turned out I had started something I did not wish to finish and caused more people to become targets in a war they could not win and we cannot afford to fight? Yes, it did.

Could have. Didn’t.

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I would like to put forward it was not stoked as such for the purposes, and much of the view of that was retroactive to well After Skarkon had already entered open warfare, but I can understand where you are coming from here. That is one blunder I am still severely miffed at Warden Eskola-Fae for trying to perpetuate when there already were many reasons the Accords and UNF had been in the system for months.

I think it best I finally get some sleep, so I can respond more appropriately and address your points more thoroughly later

Yep. That is true. Don’t think anyone’s disputing that.

Also true. Such is life. Things get complicated, and the terrain shifts. Did that suck for you guys? Yup. Does it matter? Not really.

And? This is another ‘yep, it sucks, but that’s life, you gotta deal with it’.

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Also all accurate. Also all irrelevant. You claimed the guy might well start declaring RJD investigators to be traitors, which kind of implies he’d then take action against them. That’s what I’m warning you off from, here.

Y’think? At this point, I’m pretty curious who’s got Galm bound and gagged and locked in a supply shed, that he hasn’t started his own spree of ranting over this.

His wife, probably. After I gave him a good knock upside the head for good measure.

As for claiming Efrit could, and would declare RJD agents traitors for investigating, I do recognize that was a might bit too far on my part, but considering he’s already claimed me and my own people as ‘illegal slavers’ despite clear evidence to the contrary, I do think the man has long lost his marbles.

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I wish I could like this a dozen more times.

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You are a master, but i do not grant you a seat on this council.

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That isn’t fair.

Good! Use your aggressive feelings, boy.

Let the hate flow through you.

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That sounds like a pretty dark path.

Oh, yeah?
Are you sure?
And what if I bring a whip?

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Stars, why are you such a pervert?

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I don’t know!

Please …
… do tell … :slight_smile:

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Please don’t. At least not in a public forum…

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A lot went wrong. Top to bottom, though, it absolutely comes down to ‘stupid’. The Caldari Navy took the worst of it, but all four empires were absolute idiots in their anti-invasion forces. And EDENCOM (the official arm of CONCORD, not EDI) was even stupider for letting them be that stupid.

The Amarr made a big deal (after totality, I’ll note) about having to put one of their capital groups in for repairs, but really, other than that press release, there’s no sign of significant capital usage. But let’s set that aside for now.

Did anyone see any advanced hulls among the EDENCOM forces? Did the Imperial Navy’s detachment field any Damnations? Zealots? Guardians? Did the Republic put even a single Muninn or Huginn into the fight? Were there Rooks and Eagles and Cerbs, or just Blackbirds, Moas, and Caracals?

I know what I saw in those systems, and it wasn’t the kind of top-of-the-line ship deployment I’d expect from literally the four wealthiest powers in the cluster. Facing invasion from an enemy with advanced technology, hell-bent on taking control of entire star systems full of citizens, not one of the navies saw fit to unleash their naval capsuleers in T2 hulls. A single Caldari Navy group of 30 Eagles with Basilisk support could have shredded anything the Trigs, the Kybers, or Nullsec was using in those systems. But we didn’t see one. We didn’t see anything other than bog-standard, lowest-common-denominator, ‘this crap wouldn’t even pass muster patrolling the Jita/Perimeter gate’ deployments. From anyone.

Yeah. Stupidity. S’a good word for it. Or ‘incompetence’. Maybe ‘gross negligence’, but that’s 2 words.

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