Ah, how wonderful! I am familiar with some variations of your provided code, though the tenth rule in this I had never seen before.
In any case, however, this seems to be for Matari use, as it relies on tribal structures for the proper appointments and such. Neither Commander Kim nor Lady Deritan qualify.
Besides, these rules seem to be for duels using firearms.
Except now, evidently. The duel is to be done in destroyers, no?
Only because Diana didnât get the chance to push her normal rules. Frankly, though, Iâm not sure of any formal codes for dueling in shipsâmostly because those codes are about avoiding needless deaths of those not directly involved, and dueling with ships pretty much guarantees the deaths of people who neither offered offence, nor issued challenge.
Really, âduelingâ with ships just seems to fly in the face of the entire purpose of a duel.
Um. To be clear, Arrendis, sheâs accepted duels in ships before, repeatedly. Like, for years. Also, your description of her conduct in a duel doesnât match my experience. In ours she in fact did not attack until severely provoked.
I agree with your reading of a champion being appropriate considering her opponentâs situation, but itâs not like sheâs some blade-crazed berserker.
Also, while it seems to mostly get abused rather than used (in various creative ways), there is in fact a âduelâ function built right into our CONCORD-provided interface to create a one-on-one limited legal ship to ship engagement even in highsec. So, you know, it might not seem like a duel to you. . . .
My assessment of Kimâs behavior is based on direct observation. Iâll allow, though, that I canât (and donât want to) keep an eye on her every moment of every day⌠but when I have been watching, sheâs been consistent.
As for CONCORDâs limited engagement system⌠as I said, the very concept of âduelingâ is in part about removing the risk to those who gave neither offense nor challenge. CONCORD twisting something like that into a means for more bloodsport among psychotic eggers is hardly surprising⌠but also doesnât make it any less a mockery of what such things were intended to be.
Youâll note, CONCORDâs âduelingâ system includes no real rules, whatsoever, beyond âjust those two shipsâ.
the ideal duelling ships are regen-shield tanked Sigils.
With only 1 turret mount, they can zap at each other all day, giving the audience a good show, with zero risk of unnecessary fatalities, as they cannot break each otherâs shields.
Great stuff.
Iâm not sure even the most formalized system of dueling is really all that great a thing anyway, unless you happen to be one of the few best at it and probably even then. Maybe if youâre a plainly-unduelable elder who gets to sit around and cackle while all the young upstarts busily kill each other off.
Itâs just our own version of the Triglaviansâ âproving.â Doubtless theyâd approve.
In fact theyâve been hosting matches pretty much just like that, havenât they? Just less personal. I guess maybe they figure if we want it to be personal we should just set up our own.
I guess thatâs just what this is.
(Wow Iâve cooled on the concept a lot this last year. Maybe even more recently?)
Huh! I learned a new euphemism today. I guess I normally donât travel in circles where Iâd hear âclub wearâ used to describe something you mostly donât.
How about I tell you two things DK. One Ithi nor a champion will be fighting you. I donât care what you feel anyone has done. Anyone with half a brain knows you are so full of it your eyes are brown.
I will say it again, you are a Liar, you are delusional and you are insane with your ramblings thinking you are more then any but a privateer.
So three words for you challenging my family member. They are âNo, get bent.â
Itâs funny because rules against âclub wearâ disproportionately target womenâs attire, policing such things as the length of skirts and dresses, the proportion of chest coverage, and so on.
Whereas menâs clothing is seldom policed to anywhere near as strict rules.
I did not want to bring any personal anecdotes into this, but likewise. Having fought with the Commander in the past, she was very proper about the proceedings of the duel.
Correct. The choice of a vessel within a designated class, the way it is fit and piloted are as importantâs as oneâs skill with a blade or aim with a firearm. They all culminate into the expression of oneâs skill as a capsule pilot against another.
As a member of house Deritan, surely you understand that this would bring great dishonor upon it. Lady Deritan had every right to turn down this request, being of higher social standing and plausibly regarding the reasoning for the duel as frivolous and undeserving, but she did not. She accepted and through that acknowledged Commander Kim as an equal for the purposes of this battle and the reasoning as valid.
As the issuer of the challenge, Commander Kim is the only person that would be able to cancel the upcoming duel without insult to oneâs honor. Anything else would be an insult to oneâs name and a sign of cowardice. Basic stuff.
Khanid Social moores are different than that of the wider Amarr Empire or other entities like the State, including their positions of etiquette and honorable conduct. To my understanding a Major Holder, such as the Lady Deritan, can under Khanid customs rescind the agreement of the duel if she so wishes to, at her leisure, due to her social standing and position unless it was against, specifically, another Holder of near or equal station.
That in mind, Iâd also contest the Strike Commanderâs honor due to her repeated statements of libel against many across the years. She honors her duels, but not her words. Which she claims are just as important a matter of honor. And her continuing statements of being an officer but actively failing to meet the expected strictures of conduct of such a position
Not as the challenged party under every code I have been able to find. At the moment of acceptance, one considers the challenger to be of equal standing for the purposes of the duel.
If you can cite specifically a set of rules that sanction such cowardice, I would love to take a look at it.
I have no stake in this one way or the other, but it would be very unfortunate for a noble house to conduct themselves in such a manner publicly.
Some customs rarely appear in codes, it is in my experience considered improper to duel across a gulf in social status, especially (not applicable here) in the context of challenge being offered where fealty is due.
Having been routinely challenged by the Strike Commander myself, my choice to decline as a matter of course is based upon too things; I have a (limited in this day and age) social imperative to accept the challenges of my peers, to accept her challenge would be in however small a way to accept the validity of her grievance, and to bestow social legitimacy upon someone of truly contemptible behaviour.
Though I will concede the time to make such declination is certainly before accepting a challenge and formalizing terms.
Amusing.
Didnât you just âwelcomeâ a new participant of the discussion board by calling her stupid?
And over what? - A completely rational albeit unproven hypothesis. Thatâs speaking about toxicity.
Speaking about stupidity, in my unfortunate waste of time on trying to discuss things with you, would be in these boards or in their NeoCom equivalents, I have found you bringing hypotheses and claims - including about other people - that arenât simply irrational, but straightfoward asinine.
You call people toxic when youâre toxic, you call smart people stupid, because you are⌠well, lets say, may lack certain qualities to understand completely their point of view.
Sometimes I wonder, why you even bother doing this? Is it just so you can tell us that all we come up with are sort of âno youâ type of retorts? I have seen that behavior from less honorable galnet âspeakersâ before.
Have some shame and cease wasting my time already.
Itâs a pity that someone who is supposed to be our ally displays such hostility and lack of basic understanding of Honor.
6 months? Donât you think that might be a bit⌠unreasonable?
You have posted quite an offensive reply to the post where I was saying that I do challenge people to answer for that, which really could be considered as a âchallenge me tooâ post, and now youâre saying you arenât available for 6 months.
Speaking about Champions, donât you find that itâs a little bit ridiculous for a soldier to pick someone else to fight for them? Well, I understand, of course, a medical condition - but in general an idea for a combat pilot to pick someone else to fight for them - provided absence of said medical condition - seems to me laughable.
Moreover, do I look like someone who is so angry just to start killing a random person only because someone insulted me? Duels have a deep meaning of reconcilation and are attempt to understand each other by crossing swords or hitting fists together. They have a meaning to show courage to stand for your words if you find them true and cannot bring apologies for some reason. Where is a courage in sending anyone else to fight for you? What would you get from fight with unrelated person?
Next component why I donât really accept or would offer a Champion - is because I follow principles of justice and fairness. And I deeply believe that every human shall answer themselves for what they have committed without putting anyone else on the line. If I have ever wronged someone, I will bring my apologies, and if they desire so, I will answer for them with weapon in my hands.
Now, speaking about the alleged âlaying insult firstâ, I would like to remind you that you have found yourself in the current situation only because of your first reply to me without our prior communications, to my knowledge. I do not remember ever addressing you, yet your first address to me, besides a request for explanation, started with rather crude and brutish insulting accusation (one assuming me to be a Liar), falling out from all acceptable norms of etiquette, for which the challenge to the duel has followed.
If I have ever wronged someone without a reason, I will bring my apologies.
If any of my assumptions were wrong, I will hear you out and again will bring apologies if that will be proven.
I will provide myself any proofs to my words shall you wish itâŚ
But before all this happens you shall reply for your own words first.
I do, however, growing respect to you, Ms. Deritan, for your honorable agreement to the duel is commendable, as expected from a person of high stature. I would only kindly request shortening the term, for 6 months really looks too long to finish an affair like this.
No. I just called her stupid. Unlike you, I donât immediately obey what the automated systems tell me to do. And the hypothesis wasnât rational at all.
Oh, but I canât waste your time, Diana. Iâm not the one choosing to spend it. Thatâd be you. So maybe you should ask yourself why youâre wasting your time.
Sheâs pregnant, you twit. What the hell did you think she meant by âI am not killing what grows in meâ?
Thank you for yet another profound minmatar-grade opinion. Please excuse me, however, for lack of time and desire to read your whole Magnum Opus. I believe it is as well spoken and intelligent as your conclusion.
But in any way, if by some reason I will need a tribal opinion with that depth, Iâll leave you a notification.
Usually
Sheâs pregnant and has explained that. Gestation period is nine months.