Off-Topic Thread vol. 2

[Arsia_Elkin]

Quite well, in fact. Thank you.

[Arrendis]

@Mizhara_Del_thul

Oh I don’t know, it worked quite well the first time around.

That really wasn’t ‘the first time around’, you know.

@Mizhara_Del_thul

Upwell fuckery

This, in fact, is what gave the MBC the victory. Had that massive change in the technology of fortifications happened before the MBC attack, I’m willing to bet that one would have gone the same way PAPI’s did.

And no, the PAPI loss was not because of ‘stacking Upwell fuckery’. Breaking the constellation around 1DQ1, and thus making 1DQ vulnerable, was eminently possible. Hell, I’ve even outlined exactly how it could have been done in half the post-M2-XFE time that PAPI took rubbing themselves up and down a cheese grater before finally giving up.

Just because the idiots like to loudly shout ‘it was impossible!’ doesn’t make it true. They’d just far rather find excuses than face up to their own incompetence.

[Arrendis]

@Utari_Onzo

it pains me to see demands in bad faith.

So, all kidding about pedantic analysis of fortifications aside… it may pain you, Utari, but it shouldn’t surprise you. Aldrith likes to dish out the hate and venom my way for Arsia leaving PIE and eventually leaving the Empire entirely, but he’s as much a part of the math as I was.

Hell, Arsia and Samira both: Why’d they leave PIE? Why’d they start questioning the perfect divine order of the Empire? Sure, there’s lots of reasons for it, but a big chunk of it… is Aldrith Shutaq, Lord Consort Newelle. When you’ve got someone telling you how supportive they are, loudly declaring loyalty and unity as the most important virtues out there, but when it’s time to actually do things, they treat you like crap, undercut your efforts, and generally take a massive dump all over everything you do? Yeah, that’s the sort of thing that makes you question the people doing it, the viewpoint they espouse, and whether or not you want to be in any way associated with either.

So yeah. Bad faith attempts to obnoxiously bully ‘allies’ around because they’re doing things he doesn’t want them doing? Pretty classic Aldrith.

[Teinyhr]

There is a saying, “Be careful not to become what you hate”, and this seems to be a saying nobody heeds in the cluster. Minmatar are now unified under an autocratic despot, and Amarr are becoming a rebellious and fragmented people.

[Cain_Aloga]

You really need to lay of the tea.

[Teinyhr]

Don’t hate me because I’m right.

[Arrendis]

I dunno if I’d call us ‘united’…

[Valerie_Valate]

How about “congealed” ? It’s a good word, that makes people feel a bit nauseous reading.

[Arrendis]

We’re more ‘coagulated’.

[Arrendis]

@Sahara_Jackal

Y-eeees, and so if you are Amarrian, you can definitely place the Triglavian Collective higher on the threat list . . .

Higher than what, precisely? I mean, the Empire’s war against the Drifters wasn’t even an issue in that discussion, since it’s not like Vektor and Yassavi are getting all butthurt that LUMEN’s not actively shooting Drifters…

Mind you, many of those pilots do have a very well-established history of going into Drifter Hives and killing any Tyrannos they see. Have you done likewise? But then, why let facts get in the way of introducing a completely spurious tertiary derailment to the discussion, right?

[Sahara_Jackal]

Ahhh Darling Arrendis being intentionally obtuse. Must be a day ending in “Y.”

Sorry, but it’s not going to work here. Even the dim bulbs have enough wattage to see that once you put “the Triglavian Menace” (ooooh, SCARY!) in comparison to the other, more significant threats to Holy Amarr, the entire rationale for Lux Invicta dissipates.

Not that there was much substance there to start with.

[Arrendis]

@Sahara_Jackal

Even the dim bulbs have enough wattage to see that once you put “the Triglavian Menace” (ooooh, SCARY!) in comparison to the other, more significant threats to Holy Amarr, the entire rationale for Lux Invicta dissipates.

The rationale for Lux Invicta is that the Empress told capsuleers to go support the EDENCOM mission. Mission’s not over. Just like some Empire loyalists are focusing on the warzone, some are focusing on the Trigs. Others, I’m sure, are still focusing on the Drifters, but Vektor and Yassavi’s argument hinges on ‘the invasion is over, so the EDENCOM cooperation is over’.

The issue of opposing the Drifters has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the EDENCOM-aligned mission is over. It’d be like arguing that INIT shouldn’t shoot at TRI in Cloud Ring because GSF is busy shooting at Horde and TEST in Catch. An Empire of trillions should be able to multi-task, you know.

[Maria_Daphiti]

Arrendis hit it on right on th’ nose! ‘Course she’s really smart n’ all.

P.S. We’re still huntin’ drifters too with Arc 'n all.

[Valerie_Valate]

It’s always comedy gold, when capsuleers presume to know better than the Empress what the Empress’s orders really mean.

[Ange_des_Larmes]

@Arrendis

An Empire of trillions should be able to multi-task, you know.

@Valerie_Valate

It’s always comedy gold, when capsuleers presume to know better than the Empress what the Empress’s orders really mean.

A cynic might suggest that arguments amongst Amarrians are more about how to interpret their leaders’ wishes to justify their view and what they want to do instead of actually doing the Empress’ will.

[Saronu_Yassavi]

@Ange_des_Larmes

justify their view and what they want to do instead of actually doing the Empress’ will

How else do Paladins of an Imperial Order Militant find themselves taking orders from one of the many heretics they cultivated?

[Lasairiona_Raske]

@Sahara_Jackal

Ahhh Darling Arrendis being intentionally obtuse. Must be a day ending in “Y.”

HA! This made me laugh.

[Evi_Polevhia]

Is there more lightning?

[Aria_Jenneth]

There’s always more lightning.

[Diana_Kim]

@Ange_des_Larmes

But that will come to pass. I merely wanted to exclaim that your single-minded bullishness

Ehhh… if you want to steal a Crown of Stupidity from Arrendis, you’ll have to try harder.