Off-Topic Thread vol. 2

I’m not Val, but if it makes you feel better, I had eggs on toast and a cup of coffee.

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I was asleep, and having a really good dream about those miniature jam-filled fruit tarts, and just as it was getting to the good bit, I was awoken by the chimes of my comm device that announced that someone had directly mentioned my name on the IGS.

Perturbed, I had a slice of toast with cheese, then retired for the rest of the night, in advance of waking up properly, whereupon I intended to have toasted bread products with cheese and sliced meats in them for breakfast.

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This being started to gain a bit of experience regarding Hacking and retrieving datas and salvages from illegal sites (after confiscated). The result is that if he should focus only in this area, improving his skills, the Gallente Federation risks to obtain too much money than an average empire (like if it hadn’t enough).

Well, that’s amusing,

It is interesting to me that amusement is your reaction there.

Why? What did you expect?

Nothing in particular. Almost any reaction would have been interesting.

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A worthy goal, if you ask me. And as you said, if she’s looking to do it with words, what are you complaining about? I know I’d rather prefer to be pierced with words rather than bullets.

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Dismantle the only thing protecting my people from reprisals by yours? Collapse of the Empire by word or bullet would likely result in more than enough death that how such a collapse was achieved would barely matter.

Well, granted, the Empire is a very useful bullet (directed singularity?) sponge against the Triglavians and Drifters. You seem to think that the Minmatar somehow want to kill all Amarrians, but that’s not even true.

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Can you speak for all Minmatar?
I lost faith in the notion of moderate and reasonable Minmatar reining in their more extreme compatriots when you traded Midular for Shakor

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No.

But the main driving force for the aggression is that you’re still keeping our people (and not just ours) in chains. Stop that, and you will dissipate a lot of the aggression.

You were not speaking though in favour of the reclaiming or indeed slavery coming to an end. But the dismantling of Amarr.
That you who seem to consider yourself moderate jumped so enthusiastically behind the idea is telling, and that you think the hatred of those more extreme than you needs a reason is naive.

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Have I ever said that I am a moderate? Especially on this topic? :thinking:

Wait what.

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When compared to many, that you claim not to wish the death of all Amarr is moderate.

…I guess?

I mean, in a barebones explanation, were it in my power, I’d render the Empire harmless. Of course it then could be argued that considering the Empire’s driving ideologies, can it ever be truly harmless, but I’d be content in making sure the Amarr cannot raise a whip ever again, cannot threaten the people of New Eden with violence when they do not submit to the eradication of their beliefs and culture… I mean, Well, it does sound kind of a bloodbath in retrospect, but I’m sure at least some of you are good people.

(And yes I know good is subjective. I know many in the Empire do what they do because they believe it is right, same in any other nation, ultimately even Kuvakei’s vision is based on good intentions.)

The exact same thing can be said about the Amarr’s ability to Reign in extreme elements.

You may not believe it, but this is actually the prevailing view of most Matari. There are extremists, sure, just as there are extremists on your side, however what I would describe as the “general” Matari view regarding the Amarr is we want to be left the ■■■■ alone.

Many believe that while the Amarr exist ( certainly while the current structure exists) then your people pose an existential threat to mine. Is it any wonder then, that there are efforts to remove that threat?

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This point has been raised several times, yet it doesn’t seem to sink in. Also that countless lives on both sides would have been spared if only that were the Amarrians first contact policy.

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Most of them don’t even want to believe it. They need to demonize us. It makes the abuse they inflict on the Matari still under their boot seem more palatable.

Oh, far more than that. Had that been their policy, had they extended a hand rather than slamming down the jackboot, they might well have absorbed us fairly peacefully. Certainly, the Starkmanir were open to new cultural ideas, and I can’t imagine the Sebiestor wouldn’t have been willing to listen in order to get at their tech, etc etc…

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