Well, that could be easily said both ways. Not like I treat the amarrians with silk gloves or precision brushes either.
There are compelling differences between for instance Nauplius and the Elder Fleet.
I didnāt say it wasnāt. Only that I wouldnāt trust my survival to them in the face of more bloody handed Minmatar
Peace has alleviated that threat, but every action to remove it has degraded that peace.
How often do you have billions of Amarr enslaved?
Depends on the game. But yeah.
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This is a lie. The slave raids have never stopped. They have continued to occur over the decades, carried out by a āsmallā and ārogueā network within the Amarr Navy that has somehow managed to avoid having their logistics, funding, ship loses, operations logs, etc questioned or even noticedā¦ for decades.
If you think that sort of thing persists that long, in the face of quite a number of people pointing it out, without under-the-table approval from those in power, youāre more insane than Napkins.
Quite. One led a single assault with the goal of freeing their kin from bondage, and now operates through secret channels due in large part to the negative backlash to their appropriation of funds. The other has been operating in the open for years, continuing to slaughter, enslave, and torture innocents merely to feed a twisted, psychopathic worldview, and still gets invited to parties.
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Alleviation is not removal; but certainly thereās no deniability to a planetary reclamation, nor any notion of doing it āunder the tableā as you so adequately put it.
As for the other issue, the actions of military personnel on both sides are the responsibility of their superiors. Rogue action enabled either by complicity or negligence.
Is that what weāre all upset about? Perhaps attacking CONCORD, invading the Empire and burning wreckage raining on Mekhios might have contributed to that war that arguably gives legal basis to current events.
And claims of āpeaceā while waging war is not āalleviationā. I would rather have clear front lines, where our civilians can be evacuated to safety, than have the Amarr raiding, Sansha-like, wherever and whenever chance dictates, forcing our people to always have to watch the skies, no matter where they are.
A permanent, ever-present threat is not one which is āalleviatedā by a piece of paper everyone involved knows is meaningless.
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The burning wreckage had more to do with the superweapon than anything else, if memory serves.
The stealing of funds and the loss of life are broadly the things that I find upsetting, yes. Youād have to read around for a broader consensus.
Thatās a convenient untruth given the position the Republic is in today and the position it was in when this unbearable peace was made.
Peace allowed time to build a nation, to stand as an equal among the rest of the cluster.
Advantages and credibility the Republic and its advocates squander each time they howl that only one party has any obligation to that peace.
Or do you claim that your ārogue elementsā are any less rampant than ours, and that the principle that a slaver should not come for any outweighs the relative safety afforded to all?
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One has nothing to do with the other. There is a world of difference between whether or not the Empireās attempt to appear non-threatening allowed the Republic time to get ordered, and whetherā¦
Did the illusory āpeaceā represent a period of lessened fighting where the Republic could organize and industrialize? Of course. Does that in any way alleviate the threat of the Reclaiming? No. Not at all. You speak of the principle that a slaver should not come for any, but we have never known that. We have never known a period where the slavers have not been a worry.
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By your own words, not illusory.
Outside core systems of major nations, neither has anyone else. Absent war, most slavers do not fly under imperial colours, and there are no shortage of other threats. All of which are exacerbated if war should ensue.
So if you wish; preach principle over safety, protection of each rather than all, but that kind of dogma has served poorly every people who have ever lived by it.
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I have a hanger full of tag that contest this.
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Donāt we all?
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Indeed we do.
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Yep, we do.
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Yes we do.
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Most was a word you ought to have read. Iām not going to continue the discussion of disavowed Republic and Imperial operations inside one anotherās borders.
Whoever finances and supports them in each case, theyāre just in function another pirate threat, and in principle each side will claim itās justified based on the actions of the other.
Re-read if you like, youāve fixated upon the least relevant part of what was said.
I promise, we all did indeed read that word. And weāre all pretty sure youāre wrong.
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