Orcas should never have been turned into mining vessels

Edited into the post like I promised. The drones do continue to mine until the asteroid is exhaused without a target lock.

I was trying to save anyone else the work by warning everyone I was going to do it, and save post count by reusing the one I’d already left, but it didn’t quite work out the way I wanted it to. ^^;

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Wow! Thanks a ton! :smiley:
Maybe CCP should turn that off for mining drones! :smiley:

so someone puts in the effort to reach this many accounts, all in orcas and i’m sure well trained and it’s not fair in some way.

CCP allow multi boxing.

so what to do, nerf them and punish everyone else because there’s some people who can afford this or work their butts off to achieve it?

on the subject of not being able to attack/war dec.

it’s never been any different in high sec, if people want to avoid PVP they can, stay out of a corp was the old way, now it’s don’t own a citidel, well at least not on the corp ya have your alts in :wink:

can’t be ganked? well now, the player has learned from being ganked or someone advised him on what’s safest. so again should everyone be punished because they’ve adapted and upgraded the ships they fly which can’t be ganked?

for all you know this is a code members alts lol, so he knew well what’s safest :wink:

is it a problem? that’s up to CCP to decide, i’m sure when every single miner in high sec is doing this they’ll step in and make changes.

a lot of people in high sec called for this type of safe space, yall got it :slight_smile: now deal with it.

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Why AFK mining/farming in null is fine and any CCP attempts to limit it ends with huge outcry, but AFK mining in hi-sec is crime against humanity? I do not get it.

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It’s not fine in nullsec either. No idea where you get that from.
From the cancer who farms afk in nullsec?

It is annoying, I’ll grant u that, he’s expanding to Emolgranlan as well I hear. Multiboxing is permitted but I’ve never liked it. There should be an alternative counter to either ganking the drones or the Orcas or bumping, if you are a miner then if ur messing around trying to do any of these ur not mining and not earning. Plus iirc I think this guy has a bumper mach in fleet as well.

I haven’t mined seriously for quite a while so it doesn’t affect me but I’ve always thought a counter to AFK play would be the ability to hack the Orca (or whatever AFK ship) with a Data Analyser and break the drone control so that u can scoop them up. In that way there is incentive to steal, cause conflict and counter AFK inattention. Just my 2p worth.

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No it is necessary. Those are the people who helped push the agenda of the veteran industrialists who just wanted to do exactly this and used “new players” as an argument for more safety. I kinda enjoy it when they now cry about the mess they created.

There is nothing we can do here to help them and in fact they are not looking for advice or help but crying for others to solve the things they find “unfair” but they ultimately inflicted on themselves. Look at how many of the whiners suggest to “report it to CODE.”. How pathetic is that?

Good luck with your efforts. You will change nothing in the end.

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grab a bumper and bump them all away and steal their drones. Fro what im told a Stabber FI with oversized prob mod is effective at this, can knock people 70km away in a single hit (so i am told)

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Kusion can solo freighters with 150k to 175k hp using 24 catalysts assuming they are untanked, by himself, with 24 characters and he alt-tabs so fast he goes through keyboards like underwear. Upgrade to a talos, damage increases. You can possibly get the charisma and recruit people to form your own gank corp. You are just not putting in the effort. Orcas in a belt can be destroyed, given enough effort even if the pilot is afk. Might as well say players afk cloak are dangerous or ones sitting in jita 4-4.

edit: I did a fit EHP assuming the pilot is all skill 5 which fudges the actual hitpoint you might face.

[Orca, Orca]
Lows + the rigs = 342K EHP
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II
Rigs:
Large Transverse Bulkhead II
Large Transverse Bulkhead II
Large Transverse Bulkhead II

Shields: 175k EHP averaging 73% resist across the board
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II

Mining drone bonus mods/rigs I didn’t bother looking if they existed or not, point was for biggest tank regardless of the cost.

532k total hitpoints, not overheated with the shield hardeners (cause AFK pilots don’t pay attention and its impossible to do it with 20 orcas fast enough or mods burn out). 585k hitpoints overheated, only 53k more hitpoints. Shield boosters, yeah its gonna get crazy. But thats only deterent and its in your mind, it deters you from trying just as much as CONCORD is gonna respond after the attack, but on the upside you get to see a huge Donut Convention and set the guy back about 600m for everyone you destroy (and make the guy paranoid). You can attack a titan in null, but no different than burning through a massive tanked Orca and possibly having a null fleet drop on you to defend it, just like CONCORD in highsec.

I empower you to solve the problem instead of complaining about it. CCP created the Orca, they added a drone bay, AND THEY DECIDED TO GIVE IT MINING DRONE BONUSES.

It was CCP’s call/choice/decision/judgement to do so, not you right to complain unless you are just mad about it cause you: 1) can’t multibox too many Orcas 2) afraid of CONCORD response or 3) you have the social charisma of a turd and lacking initiative to even try attacking a thick tanked Orca by creating a gank corp or calling on CODE (btw, I saw an orca: wreck on dscan in a .9 or .8 system so its possible to destroy them even with the faster response times of CONCORD).

You want riskless income, look at the skillpoint farm characters and how easy that is with zero risk unless you screw up the market order, expensive to operate but hey all you have to do is click withdraw 500k skillpoints every couple of weeks and nobody can attack you. But I am not complaining, its just my opinion and nothing I can do about it.

And sorry for the wall of text.

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They can be ganked, of course. They just cannot be ganked without creating an isk deficit in your wallet.

The only issue here should be IS THIS PERSON USING BROADCAST-INPUTS?

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I can’t say I really disagree with the rest of your post.
I fully understand. You know I do.

This, though. I understand that they’re supposed to be doing it themselves,
but what’s wrong with literally calling for CODE Agents?

That should be celebrated and nurtured!

If they want our expertise to enable themselves to deal with those miners then yes, that would be great. But that is not why they call for us. They do it with the intent that someone else should deal with their issue. It is pure entitlement again and zero effort.

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If CCP does not want this behavior THEY can change it.

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Yes, but why care about that? It’s life!
Mercenaries are doing the same thing!
They come when someone cries for help!

Mercenaries are willingly paid by customers,
while CODE Agents are a publicly funded entity!

It checks out, you’re just not seeing the potential content behind this.
You’re looking at this from the perspective of a player,
but you should be looking at it as a capsuleer.

Like we used to! When the game was still fun to play.
The RPG in our former MMORPG.
You remember?

At some point there was a global shift in mentality away from playing the game as someone towards “a collection of minigames”. Remember how people said “in EVE everyone’s role playing”? That’s what we’ve lost sight of, thanks to all the farmers who don’t give a damn rats ass about the game.

This is the feeling that truly keeps me from playing. It expresses itself in various forms, like “lack of motivation”, or “lack of interest” caused by the idea that things just don’t matter anymore …

… but they do!

We here get so tied up in the forum nonsense that we’re forgetting that the game itself is absolutely not like that. The vast majority of people aren’t haters and they love the content people like us provide, which is why the game is dying in the first place.

Without people like us, who other people can talk about and interact with, there’s no content. They themselves can only consume content handed over to them somehow and without us, who create new or modify existing content, all they have to do is the shitty stuff the game has to offer.

I’m trying hard hyping myself too, btw. :blush:

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I’m sympathetic to the op.

This is not a good look for the game. The message we’re sending to prospective players is that if you want to mine, get a bunch of orcas and go afk. Orcas can go like this for hours without being controlled. Likewise anyone wanting to compete with these orcas doesn’t have many options.

The answer is not ganking. Orcas have a few hundred thousand ehp each and why would a fellow miner create that many accounts for ganking.

Or bumping. The time spent bumping is not generating any wealth. Bumping is less effective as a deterrent to mining as much as a minor inconvenience. Remember we have the three minute to warp timer now.

The answer isn’t wardeccing. Even if the orcas did have a structure, 100mil a week plus your own structure just isn’t worth it.

The answer is, unfortunately, to get more orcas yourself. This is where mining, and the game in general, is going. As ways to shoot other players are nerfed, its a buff to crappy and lazy gameplay like this.

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ehm ? bring in 2 dreads and finish his afk carreer ?

Orcas were designed for fleet support. Part of fleet support is being able to haul/store hundreds of thousands of m3 of ore till it can be taken to refinery or picked up by a freighter. Also part of fleet support is being able to haul ships, be they defensive or barges/exhumers and a large cargo hold for modules or to haul refined minerals. And the drone bay capacity/bandwidth/bonuses are also designed for fleet support. However, as a solo ship, they do things very very well. And mining rate has been nerfed as they depend entirely on drones+modules to barely match that of a barge.

All of this does come at a price, as a fully fit Orca is over a billion ISK. And AFK mining is more or less out of the question with Triglavian Recons out looking to gank miners, and they absolutely have the firepower to do so.

Sounds a bit like a Code alt is bitter - I mean seriously, an inactive member of Code talking about “entitled” and “zero effort”.

I remember a time when the “real” Code would have been asking for the guys location - I guess like everything else Eve, this too has moved on.

This is no an alt, and I’m not bitter just find the general amount of entitlement in those miners pathetic.

Yes, those golden days back when CODE. where the heroes of the little man and always where there to help out… :joy: Actually we always just killed miners only wherever and whenever we wanted because it was just hilarious and fun and could not care less if some wannabe “scout” told us about a fleet of miners he wanted to get rid off.

You want the miners gone? Stop crying and do it yourself. Want to know how? We can certainly help with that.