Permabumping fix

[Jake_Javelin]

No need to get your nickers in a twist. You have a different if not unique approach. Believe it or not its not necessarily best approach for all same as mine. You advocate ping and I advocate long range sling. Both use two ships. Ping [or bounce] approach assures less than 10k range between ships and lower investment cost, Long range sling is more expensive and also more efficient as you go directly from gate to gate. I took the time to create a station un-dock of a few thousand kilometers that I initially use. Since my Rapier can cloak it sits there hidden so its far more challenging to determine my un-dock.

EvE is a sand box, there is no one set way to do most things. Often the way that seems best may work well for one or a few and not so much for others.

[Bronson_Hughes]

@Anderson_Geten

When I cut your orders it’s NOT an actual aggression, even if it’s intended to reduce someone’s else profit in the future.
When I outmine your team in a HS field, it’s not actual aggression either, as it’s just your potential future gain that is reduced, not your actual present assets.

If you don’t see harming someone financially as being an aggressive act, I think I’ve just found the root cause of our disagreement.

It seems that you see bumping as the only (or at least predominant) form of CONCORD-free hisec aggression. I see it as one of many.

[Dracvlad]

@Salt_Foambreaker

It’s easy, I suppose if you try to bump them using another freighter that might be hard.

But if you use a similar ship it is easy.

I will add that one to my list of pathetic retorts by ganker and ganker aligned players that I have seen on the Eve forums.

It may have appeared smart when you wrote it, but it did you no favours…

[Kaylee_Rayl]

@Anderson_Geten

That’s nowhere something that was requested in this thread. That’s just imagination from you.
If this is an issue, it’s in your head, and that’s all.

All your other solutions are not actual solutions.
First, they don’t fix the issue that is the existence of perma bumping.
Second, they would cost even more than a freighter ship, so are not something that can be afforded.

Permabumping is only an ‘issue’ for Freighters. However, other players are fine with it. And it’s not ‘in my head’ only when you lose ground in fiinding clear arguments that you resort to projecting a false image on those who come with clear, logical, and in-game experienced arguments. This ailment I cannot cure, sorry.

If you would have had in-game experience, you’d know how to counter those bumping tactics, and you’d know when and how to react. And if a freighter’s defense is costing more; either increase the courrier price, or change career; or face the challenges it bears and HTFU.

Sorry I cannot give in more precision - busy day here. Later.

[Anderson_Geten]

@Jake_Javelin

Ping [or bounce] approach assures less than 10k range between ships and lower investment cost, Long range sling is more expensive and also more efficient as you go directly from gate to gate.

yes that’s exactly what I was saying in my post. But the difference in time efficiency is not that high : only in <5 AU jumps the freighter has the time to jump before the dd exits weap timer(yeah, a freighter needs 1min to warp 5 AU). Typically I can bounce to a perch, and with dd it’s just so much faster to catapult (only 3 web 60 is not enough to launch in 1s, while 2wb 90 is enough) that your freigther can’t even get scanned (1s total)

but no, it’s not “unique” way, I was told it long time ago.

@Bronson_Hughes

If you don’t see harming someone financially

You are not harming him. Again, competition is not aggression.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Dracvlad

I will add that one to my list of pathetic retorts by ganker and ganker aligned players that I have seen on the Eve forums.

It may have appeared smart when you wrote it, but it did you no favours…

I see, so you are not really looking for a solution that requires teamwork, just easy mode fixes so you can fly your capital ship solo.

[Dracvlad]

@Salt_Foambreaker

I see, so you are not really looking for a solution that requires teamwork, just easy mode fixes so you can fly your capital ship solo.

Well when most of the freighter gankers are solo multi-boxers I guess you have my answer!

[Anderson_Geten]

@Kaylee_Rayl

And it’s not ‘in my head’

Yes it is. You are making up words that nobody said and use it as other people argument, that’s a strawman fallacy.

The issue is in your head.

@Kaylee_Rayl

Permabumping is only an ‘issue’ for Freighters. However, other players are fine with it.

WTF ? On one hand you talk about a ship, and then you sayd “other players” ? The issue is indeed sever in your head.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Dracvlad

Well when most of the freighter gankers are solo multi-boxers I guess you have my answer!

What does that have to do with the simple fix of getting an alt or friend to bump the bumper?

[Dracvlad]

@Salt_Foambreaker

I see, so you are not really looking for a solution that requires teamwork, just easy mode fixes so you can fly your capital ship solo.

is what you said, all the freighter gankers are solo multi-boxers. Where is the team work?

[Anderson_Geten]

IMO the answer you quote has to do with your previous question, why should it have to do with something else ?

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Dracvlad

is what you said, all the freighter gankers are solo multi-boxers. Where is the team work?

I did not say that, the freighter pilots are the solo ones.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Anderson_Geten

IMO the answer you quote has to do with your previous question, why should it have to do with something else ?

I have no clue what you are talking about?

In any case the solution to this thread is already in game, get a friend to bump the bump ship.

[Anderson_Geten]

@Salt_Foambreaker

I have no clue what you are talking about?

Then reread the question (A) you made and the answer(B) you received. Your next question objects that (B) is not related to something else( C) , which I say is fine as it was supposed to be related to your question(A).

edit : put letter for better understanding.
if you don’t understand this, it’s fine, it’s not like this thread was a matter of life or death.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

Would it be too much to ask for you to label each of those posts A B and C?

[Anderson_Geten]

@Salt_Foambreaker

get a friend to bump the bump ship.

what if he hires another bumper as anti-bumperbump protection ?

[Salt_Foambreaker]

Escalation is also already built in, the hauler will need a bumper bumper for the bumper bumper

[Dracvlad]

@Salt_Foambreaker

I did not say that, the freighter pilots are the solo ones.

I never said that you did, I was merely pointing out that freighter ganks are mainly carried out by solo multi-boxers, so it seems a bit rich to talk about team work…

The real issue is that I have to have five accounts to be able to counter a bumper who has managed to get a bump on me, one is the freighter obviously, the second is the webber that obviously failed on his job most likely due to a suicide point, but the other three are all top gunnery trained Talos alts which I need to kill the bumper. That is what I need.

So in essence what chance does a hisec player have to do that?

[Salt_Foambreaker]

If you want to do it the hard way that is your choice.

[Dracvlad]

Counter bumping is not easy, I have no idea why you keep spreading the falsehood that it is easy and that it works.