Permabumping fix

Then learn to analyze, and anticipate - in this scope, I encourage all players to try/learn pvp.

Everything you do in the entire game is a gamble, even in the most secure instance. Live and grow with it. If a mechanism has to be developed for everyone to be safe, then the game loses its core values. And since it seems OP has tried everything, nothing is working so far, well then you might as well try the pvp side and see how it goes.

Okay then, use JF.

OMG lol except the dev blog about jamming was wrong, there are 4 skills and ~30 items to counter, and you just showed what you know by using it as an excuse for some other pointless nerf.

Classic!

https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Electronic_Countermeasures

Do enlighten me, for I cba to go fetch and defend your cause, for all I see obvious is the dedication people induce in pvp. Unless you brighten my ignorance with your ā€˜savoir-faire’ I can’t do much.

It is obvious you cba, you have no idea about the subject and throw one liners.

First of all Bumping is a mechanic, which is why people are asking CCP to look at it. The basic issue is that using bumping a bumper can effectively warp disrupt a freighter with no consequences. That means the mechanic is poorly designed, of course they are going to ask CCP to sort it out.

This is the part where your ignorance shines through.

So a sandbox is designed for PvP bit of a contradiction here, seriously mate you are looking terrible with that statement.

I like PvP when I can be bothered to do it of course.

Are you talking about nullsec, as you have no idea about hisec mehcnics.

My opinion is not meant to hurt anyone, just a wake up call.

You only hurt yourself by showing ignorance and an attitude and by the fact you added that sentence you realised just how bad your post was.

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And there are gamble that have positive outcome, other that don’t. Escort does not. You are saying that people who fly freighter should spend more money for something that would actually have no impact.

I don’t think that growing with the feeling of having no control on what are you doing is something even remote desirable. Moreover there is a lot of proof that you can control very well most of the stuff you do in this game… Except maybe the outcome from some RNG mini-games like modules modification with mutaplasmids :sweat_smile:

This gamble perspective just show a severe lack of skills and/or understanding of game mechanics, and an unhealthy mindset about the lack of control of your own actions.

Stop with the lame no control excuse, choosing to fly solo in a high value ship is a mistake, your control is to not make the mistake.

Undocking errors.

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Your post is a mistake form many points of view :sweat_smile:
Current game mechanics makes your argument void, flying solo or not a freighter is irrelevant, if someone want to get you bumped will do it. Prove me you are clueless by denying that, and i will explain it to you. :wink:

Moreover, my suggestion is a fix against being stuck in a forever bumping scenario, not a safety mechanic. And the worst issue is once you got bumped by a competent bumper, no amount of help will get you out from that situation

Another wannbee hauler who refuses to learn to play or play with others…

It’s all been said: Bumping

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I beg to differ, if it’s successful for 1 side of the fence (while the other won’t budge to make good use of said mechanics), I’d have to say it’s working as intended. Plus it’s visually stimulating to see freighters bounce around :grin: …like a baloon, it’s almost like free ticket to a circus show, in space!

Obviously I meant, Eve online as a sandbox. And seriously I have never heard of nor witnessed freighters fighting back other than whinning. or local raging.

Wake up call dear; as soon as you undock, anywhere in Eve online, you consent to pvp, whether you want it or not. So yeah,might be time to refocus your goals and know what you have to deal with in any sec before undocking.

Seriously mate, defend your land = defend yourself or what you care for.

Yeah I probably realised how bad my post was, an instead of editing or rectifying, I chose to publish it eitherway. Goodness gracious, you’re so sharp! :laughing:

Ah friend, don’t be so negative, work it out. Going into battle with low moral isn’t the right attitude to adopt. It’s a gamble, so you won’t ever know unless you try.

As a clueless freighter pilot that has never been bumped, please explain that.

On a broader note, I wish white knights would stop trying to protect me by having CCP change the game. I don’t need protection and I like the challenge of not perfect safety or get-out-of-jail free modules (as per the OP suggestion). My competence gives me a competitive edge over others and that’s good for business. Diminishing the difference by making it easier to be lazy provides more opportunity for consequence free hauling. We all have choices. We make them. The consequences of those choices are on us.

So if we get a timer limit on warp, or an insta-mass drop module, or some other mechanic that buffs our play, what are we going to give up that buffs the other sides play as well? What will we give up to keep the overall balance where it currently is?

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Brother, you don’t know the half of it, and actually it is the absence of this perspective, that defines who we are. Hopefully some day you will understand. But for this to happen, you’d have to embrace Pvp.

Okay I hear you, how about having your escort gank the bumper? I guess that should suffice to switch the bumper pilot off your ship, and you can warp off to a safe spot, yeah? Or better yet, bumping the bumper? I just thought of those alernatives (from my lack-of-experience, noobish point of view). So have you ever tried those options?

You’d be amazed at how often stargates are at the edges of solar systems.

That’s the right attitude to adopt. Welcome newbro, I wish you safe travel, and lots of pvp fun.

Now in a nutshell; bumping will disallow you from warping off, or approaching the gate (while the pirates arrives). Alternatively, you may use different routes, time zones, escort services to minimize any redistribution of your wealth. But gankers come well prepared, and rare are the times they will miss popping your baloon and looting the stuffs. Bumping (as opposed to the tears you may find in local) is not an abuse of the mechanics, nor a faulty one, and Ccp approved. Last note, maybe freighting is not your goal - ganking might be more suited for you? Well, discover more about it before you undock with high value cargo.

Let me take asset safety in nullsec as an example, that is a mechanic too, which many people complain about and ask for CCP to make it the same as WH space because safety is against the spirit of the game, just as effectively pointing someone in hisec with total safety is. So what you are saying to me is effectively my answer on nullsec asset safety in which the assets end up in certain lowsec systems which can be camped and farmed if they put the effort in, but they don’t.

I am not sure how you can avail yourself of bumping when in a freighter, do you think that Eve is a game where there should be no counter at all? Where is the counter for the freighter pilot? The answer is that he hopes that the buymper gets bored and leaves him alone, great counter play. Hence the mechanic is naff.

LOL here you made my point for me.

Chanting that at me makes no difference, it is rhetoric, I meant going out to shoot someone. Let me be clear I am not interested in 100% safety, I am railing against bumping because CONCORD effectively protects the bumper who is carrying out an act of aggression.

Is hisec my land, nope, it is controlled by the Empires at the top level.

This post is almost as bad, because your are chanting stuff back at me without realising what it means.

There is a freighter pilot that I come across a lot recently who goes between Jita and Amarr and he is bumped almost every trip, he is solo with one account. He has about twenty minutes of bumping on average each trip before they get bored of him. Thankfully with the increase in plex or boredom at such lame faming many of the multi-boxing gankers have given up so all he has now is a time sink. I guess you find that wonderful play and he deserves it for being a solo single character player.

Nothing to do with white knights you are just projecting your garbage on others. It is aggression play with no consequences and as such is a poor mechanic, you may rail against people pointing it all you want with senseless insults but it is a poor mechanic and CCP are aware of it.

The balance is out for the solo player, seeing as you mention balance. And do remember that at one time when a ship was destroyed no loot dropped, that was a buff to ganking, the ROF penalty on Catalysts was removed and thus was a buff to ganking, the introduction of the Tornado was a buff to ganking, the addition of a corp bay in a DST which loot can be scooped through was a buff to ganking, the increase in freighter wreck ehp when AG was blowing up the wrecks with a thrasher for loot denial was a buff to ganking. I could go on…

So there you go black knight, enjoy…

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Chanting… hmmm

Not really. To clarify ā€˜when you undock, one consent to pvp’ lies in most Ccp / Isd header thread posts, please look for it in the forum, or the Eula, or the Tos etc. Also Concord do not stop crime, they just punish whoever commits the crime after it’s taken place - and bumping is not a crime per say. If bumping would become a crime, then each time an anchoring Fc would be bumped by his fellow fleet members, then Concord would disrupt the fleet. Otherwise, please read post 57/58, I proposed possible ways to counter. Up to your freighter club to act upon it.

You are chanting rhetoric at me again.

What are you going on about?

So let me have a look at this and yes you are right you are a noob.

What your base view is from this is that only people in large groups with a lot of ready ISK and multiple characters trained up for combat which are not required to do other activities in hisec, should use and operate a freighter. Is that what you are saying?

How many accounts do I need to operate a freighter in hisec as a solo player? I can tell you based on the counter gank suggestion that it would be five. So I have to have five accounts, the scout/webber, the freighter obviously and three specific max trained Talos alts that I only use for bumper ganking so to use a freighter in hisec to be able to counter a solo bumper. Thank you very much, seems a bit unbalanced to me.

Bumping a bumper is a lot more difficult than bumping a freighter, you should try it sometime, ignorance is bliss.


As a footnote: CCP have already said that they will be doing something with the collision boxes but it is not a near solution, they are also aware of the issue of freighter bumping and they have people looking for ways to deal with it. I got those answers from Hilmar himself, thank you very much.