Are you completely inept?
I look at your corp online in the war history tab.
HERE IS A PICTURE
Your wardecking of an industrial corp that is “for beginners” isnt your most recent war and you are the aggressor; of a NUB corp LOL
And claiming to be growing with only 7 people in your corp… LOL
LOL
Yeah interstellar are the industrial arm of nano-fiber. Nano fiber decced me because of the feud with interstellar. So i decced back. And they had to call for a cease fire because interstellar was losing members. We weren’t.
Nano fiber didn’t come hunting. Not until we put their structures into hull. But did so with overwhelming force. That’s why there are no kills in that war. But were we docked up? No. Obviously not. We were hunting interstellar at the same time we were decced by nano-fiber.
You realise that jabbers is a noob friendly industrial corp in itself right? We’re you expecting weekly decs?
And yes we are small. The vast majority of applications are withdrawn before i can see them. And then i tell people what hours I’m on and that puts most people off. I even advise that we aren’t for everyone. So we don’t grow fast. I’m not here to farm noobs. Take your own corp. It’s got 17 members but only a few of you are active pvp wise. (and you’re a pvp corp!)
And my 7 day delta is what? And your 7 day delta is what?
But really what are you trying to prove here? Wardecs aren’t game crippling for Jabbers. Ganking isn’t a bad thing for Jabbers either. Everyone who got ganked is still here. The more you put my corp under the microscope the more you’re going to see getting shot at is not the problem for new players.
yeh but apparently wardecks dont do this, your contradicting yourself.
and before you attempt to make out your a great CEO again im just gonna point out you only have 7 players, 3 of which are probably alts
No. Telling them to dock up did.
If interstellar retaliated with pvp gangs they’d have probably had much more fun. We’re not exactly marmite are we. But they didn’t. I assume they were told to dock up or move out.
Nano-fiber, their 200 strong pvp alliance, didn’t seem interested in actually protecting their miners.
That’s what cost them members. Not a wardec from a 7 man industrial corp. 
cherry picking isnt going to win you a debate.
7 people…
3 alts…
2 casual…
Just who would u have told to dock anyway?
This really is the thing: actually hand picking members matters: not on capabilities but on attitude. And then actually TRAINING them, properly, with one’s own ACTUAL knowledge (which most people lack tbh).
If you’re the leader and your group does badly, it’s your fault. Maybe you chose the wrong people, maybe you lack the capability to lead and teach. Maybe, just maybe you shouldn’t be a CEO at all in a pvp sandbox meritocracy like EVE.
Being clueless and incapable, then deciding to lead a corp with other players while lacking ACTUAL leadership capability and then blanket invite randoms without any real filtering. NOT making sure things are done right, NOT making sure you have a capable group means you don’t care or simply don’t understand.
Groups like that start with ■■■■, you fill it with ■■■■ and guess what… it ends up being ■■■■ that can’t survive the first wardec. Who knew.
Mate i was joking when i said I’d have a billion members If i spoke Russian.
I’m just an honest ceo with not a great amount of time to play eve. But yeah i think i have a much better attitude for teaching noobs than the vast majority of hisec corp leaders. And i think you’ve demonstrated it shows.
explain conoco then.
Conoco is a newbie trap, they spam invite in the rookie channel. Rookie channel is 95% alts, not actual new players.
Right and what happens when conoco are decced?
Either way, blaming a players ineptitude, low sp or unwillingness to take part in pvp is not the leaderships fault.
Thats you looking to lay blame on another aspect of the game.
Its not, i could explain it to you but i fear that would take you long and you would disagree just to disagree… i mean its like arguing with people about chemtrails isnt it. Pointless.
Literally no idea why you would think that other than over inflated sense of ego, low iq and a wanton need to troll.
you should try that sometime lol
thats like saying if your life goes badly its all your fault, completely disregarding environmental factors…
I dont think you quite understand tbvh though
nice word.
they tend to die a lot tbvh; and yes many leave the game.
I didn’t talk about skill points, SP is for the most part meaningless at it comes with time, not with effort. Doing well in a pvp sandbox like EVE, both as a player and as a CEO comes from actual capabilities and effort.
And yes, if one puts in effort (note that the first post wasn’t specifically aimed at you, more in general) then you can filter out 90% of the riffraff. Depending on your needs you don’t recruit on SP but on attitude and promise. Promise that they can hold their own in this meritocracy. That doesn’t mean they need to be or become amazing pvpers, it DOES mean they need to have the right attitude.
If you don’t do that it’s also fine of course, you can perfectly run a corp based on easy going, low effort gameplay. But then you have to be honest, when wardecs come and half the corp leaves or goes inactive you don’t blame the attackers for that, instead you have to blame yourself for allowing people to join whom you could have known upfront to show that behaviour.
so a 20 man alliance with 160mil sp each and several logi alts dec a new corp filled with new players… and you dont see an issue with that?
Im not altogether sure what exactly your trying to say tbh.
thats literally most of eve… hell people were leaving darkness not so long back to join goons just so they could rat again.
People are fickle, eve is not a job; if it were people would damn well do wtf theyre told or not get paid, not because of an ability to lead but because people want to eat.
I have.
Years ago (these days, due to CCP’s choices I lack the commitment to put in that much effort and time that is required to lead) I ran a corp teaching newbies EVE and pvp proper, I had a YouTube channel with guides (a small old one still exists and to this day EVE uni wiki makes use of at least one of my videos).
I personally trained them, held last man standing pvp training sessions in hs that included pod killing so they’d get used to it and not be afraid of it. THEN taught them about low sec after which I sent them all out and told them not to come back till they got a killmail.
Then we went there, into Aridia which even then was filled with Vindis and carriers. we stayed there for over a week to the point where the locals starting whining on the forums about how certain game mechanics (ie smart gameplay where you don’t sit in front of a Vindi) were super unfair. We didn’t lose one ship that week, we got some kills though.
Note how there is structure in all that: teach, practise, do. In that order. Apart from me none of our members had more than 5 mil sp. It’s not about skillpoints, it’s about drive and eagerness. And yes, you can filter on that.
To this day a large portion of those still play, and they do so in well known pvp groups.
Again, if someone is ok with people like that in their corp (I’m not) then don’t blame the attackers, they’re just the messengers telling you that the corp is full of crap.
smal focussed corp does well, gets known, people want to join them for the pvp, other people want to join them because it sounds like a good place to hide in. CEO gets visions of grandeur, where they see a super large fleet of players with the same capabilities as the small group has. Which is of course not what is happening. The corp bloats, goes to ■■■■ and people leave again. rinse repeat.
If leadership would just actually control growth by controlling influx and then putting in active effort to retain the good ones, that stupid cycle would be broken.
over the past ten years the player base and its attitudes have changed somewhat; id imagine anyone your actually talking about that started with you (or went to aridia) arent that active now - im also guessing lsh didnt live there then…
someone just wrote this in another thread.
I believe it still applies.
but something tells me not everything your saying is quite as relevant as youd like me to believe…
No, back then the game was full of lazy clowns and it still is today. It’s however more obvious now due to the large clowns alliances that gobble up all the new players, molding them into clueless little line members.
It can still be done today just fine The problem is that CEO have visions of grandeur where they want BIG corps, with BIG fleets, with BIG supers. And the first step to that is to get a big corp, and the only way to do that is to have zero recruitment standards. Which is where it goes to ■■■■ right from the start.
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It’s not about being relevant, or being the baddest corp in EVE, or the biggest one or being part of the biggest alliance. It’s about choice: if you choose to have low or no recruitment standards, and you choose to not continuously monitor for the unwanted and unwilling, you choose to get a corp full of crap. Thus you choose to have them flee or hide at the first sign of trouble.
Again, wardeccers are just the messenger in this case: “your corp is crap”.
