At some point reporting lines merge right?
Its rhetorical, the abomination is being developed by CCP so the point stands.
Yes, though it seems like splitting hairs to make a distinction.
Itâs not splitting hairs. It literally doesnât impact EVE Online at all, except for maybe some free code eventually if the initiative succeeds.
Itâs a bit premature to call it an abomination. If it ends up being bad, fine, call it out. But this spastic âeverything CCP touches will be terribleâ bleating is annoying.
Why are you even here if youâre so bitter about everything? And this isnât just directed at you, but all the others who voice that same opinion.
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I want you to be right, though can it be said hand on heart that a CCP âEVEâ person wonât get dragged into âhelpingâ even just a little bit? People always want to work on the new âcoolâ stuff that is different to their day job.
Its related to âcryptoâ and carries a certain stank to it.
Not everything, but many things take a long time to improve and categorically get worse before they get better, if not cancelled entirely.
I would not be if it were not for the fact I am responsible for people and have yet to get all the enjoyment out of the spaceships that I have collected the past 10 years.
Its like the the âRise and Fall of the Roman Empireâ playing out in space, nay, behind the curtain of space. So many broken promises, so many missteps, so long to wait for positive changes to broken mechanics that should not have taken a decade to fix.
I think after the Jita riots, the only time CCP moved with speed to fix an issue was Blackout, but it should never have been a problem in the first place. Its exhausting, like watching a toddler struggle with one of those spherical toys that you put the shapes into, watching them trying to shove the star into the square hole over and overâŚ
That carrot on a string got really close for a time, then it gradually got further and further away.
Developing new things is difficult. There isnât anyone that would get it right entirely.
I have my issues with the game as well, but itâs entirely useless to disparage the company before anything is known about the various projects.
If the naysaying merely took the tone of, âtemper your expectations,â I wouldnât take issue with it, but this bitter nonsense is toxic, and not appreciated.
In other words, youâre enjoying the product that CCP is responsible for creating.
And there is it. This is the primary thing people are taking issues with. Ignorant people not understanding what theyâre talking about.
The main difference between those other projects and CCPâs game, is the majority of those projects are actual scams. CCP canât do that, since theyâre an actual company with a reputation to consider. Some bitter people will scoff at the idea of CCP protecting their reputation, but thatâs just those people projecting.
Okay guys, I get the negativity, itâs CCP⌠weâve all learned not to expect overmuch from their development efforts.
That said, the overview of the project sounds a bit like theyâre trying to combine âMinecraft in Spaceâ with âsurvivalâ type games, with players and developers able to add their own touches into the game. Like modding a game but integrated into an MMO. And the blockchain is probably being used to ensure persistence, uniqueness and ownership of game add-ons. Which may play into another old CCP (and others) notion of games where you can get paid for your playtime creations (which actually goes back to Second Life and earlier).
But the core concept isnât really that bad, itâs pretty interesting and could have a lot of potential if done right. So, sure, CCP is going to get stomped on, and theyâll most likely muff it. Blockchain isnât a curse that instantly ensures failure, itâs just a tool. Perhaps this time CCP will use their powers for good and not evil.
Perhaps.
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Not really, i mean the blockchain doesnât add anything to the game and nothing linked to crypto ever turns out well, and i donât think CCP will be the ones to buck that particular trend
They have CCP staff working on this project, so unless their singular skillset is the blockchain, i very much expect there to be other things those staff could be doing
If it still requires a login, which it will, then without those login servers the contents of the ledger does nothing as the game wonât actually run, as i understand it they will basically be putting âlevelsâ on the blockchain, so sure the data for those levels will exist, but without the actual game to make use of them, its still kind of pointless, the whole game isnât going to be on and run from the blockchain
After 20 years, yes i can say we can be sure they are not going to revolutionise blockchain lol
Yes but a team that is still staffed by CCP employees, who are being paid a monthly salary and who could be working on literally anything else, assuming they arenât someone whose only skillset is the blockchain, at which point we should just hire someone else >.>
Yeah i donât hold particular hope for vanguard, it looks average and the only thing going for it might be the eventual connection with TQ, although even then i expect its impact to be minimal incase it fails like dust did before it
Right but the part youâre missing is, that those staff could be used to work on EVE which would end up BENEFITTING it, it not impacting it doesnât really negate the benefit that could be gained if they were to be working on it instead of some pointless blockchain lovechild that literally exists to pander to hilmarâs crypto boner
Show me a single crypto project that didnât end up becoming an abomination, show me ANY examples of a successful blockchain game that exist
Because from where iâm sitting its been nothing but complete failures and abominations that had no reason to exist and didnât actually use the tech in any beneficial way
The part you quoted was a reply to this
Not Blockchain.
Yes he doesnât know if they are geniuses or not.
Donât quote me out of context, it shows your bad faith and proves that you have no argument, just a tantrum.
They would not have been hired if they didnât take the 40mil to make the game.
Again, they were hired with the 40mil investment.
You are more likely to fail at first than succeed, if people just didnât try because everyone else failed doesnât mean they shouldnât, and again itâs not CCPâs money funding this.
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Its not out of context though, they arenât going to revolutionise it, and yes we can see that given all their other attempts they are not what anyone would call âgeniusesâ i mean i get you donât seem to like that but CCP is so far a one hit wonder, and thats just a simple fact, if you have some evidence to counteract their 20 years of examples i would love to see it 
Right, but there have been ZERO even partial success, hell not even slight successes at this point, everything involving crypto and blockchain has been an abject failure by literally every metric
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Right, so someone trying to make it work wonât make their mistakes. Blue LED lights were failures until they werenât. At least wait to see whatâs been made before casting judgement. Itâs not like they can back out now.
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They hired a new team for the project. Where do you think that 40 million investment went?
As I said repeatedly, the money being used for this project came from outside sources, and is being developed by a separate dev team.
There isnât something else the dev could be doing on EVE, because that dev wouldnât be working at CCP if not for this project.
Do you understand basic economics? Without the funding from the cryptobros, there wouldnât be money to employ those people.
No they wouldnât⌠they wouldnât be working for CCP at all⌠because the money used to hire them came from outside sources.
You can say the same thing for the wright brothers before they took flight, or whoever developed the first automobile, or the millions of dollars SpaceX is blowing up with their flight tests.
Thereâs always going to be a first, and CCP does have what it takes to make that step, despite all the hate directed their way.
The flaw in those other projects you mentioned isnât with blockchain, the flaw is how it was used.
There doesnât need to be a log in server. The ledger can be used to validate the integrity of the local client.
That said, they may still go with a login server, since that will no doubt be easier, but there is untapped potential there.
I assume you mean games based on blockchain, and not the actual cryptocurrencies, because those have been very successful.
How many Starships crashed and burned before this one reached space today?
Just because someone fails and fails again doesnât mean theyâre dumb.
You donât get it. It doesnât matter to me.
Read what the others have written. Plenty of posts tell you that it isnât a bad idea on CCPâs part to cooperate on the project.
20 years of wonder. Not bad at all.
If you think you can do better than Mr.Hilmar, Iâd love to see you try 
"As part of todayâs news, CCP Games is also excited to announce its commitment to making the Carbon Development Platform open source, allowing programmers and game developers to access the Carbon game engine framework and additional components for free.
âWe have been co-developing games with players for over 20 years: by making the Carbon Development Platform open source we are now taking the next step in this journey."
That lost me slightly.
Whoâs alt are you?
Because right now you are coming across as a hurt dev because someone is questioning something you are working on.
And the people who are wondering why CCP isnât dropping the project need to understand that they would be sued out of existence if they followed the advise of OP and similarly minded people.
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Out of sight out of investors minds eh 
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No but it is the definition of insanity, with rockets there is actual science behind them, with blockchain there is no real method to the madness and its being added to things that donât need it and donât benefit from it
Well we agree to disagree then, i see literally zero benefit for this tech in the slightest and nobody on the planet has been able to provide me with an actual use case where something else wouldnât do the exact same job
Sure, but its still a one note record, maybe they should stick to the thing they are good at?
Try what exactly? iâm not sitting here betting on pointless tech, if i were good at something i would focus on doing that thing, hilmar is obsessed with the blockchain for some unknown reason
Youâre assuming the contract doesnât have an exit clause (which it very clearly does, they all do) that they can use, yes it would cost them money to do so most likely but no they wouldnât get sued out of existence for taking the exit clause, you seem to think that once they agreed to it that there is literally no way to take it back lol
So, this game is not in EVE universe? Or?
At this point we donât actually know as the testing hasnât started, its likely to be EVE adjacent much like vanguard is, so i would still count it as part of the universe even if it doesnât interact with TQ, same as the likes of gunjack