Punish Pirates in high sec

[Destiny_Corrupted]

Forthcoming.

[Leggone_Stracks]

Eve without pirates? That would be like Tampa without Jose Gaspar.

[Cilla_Cybin]

@Yonniya_Rainor

No one should be penalized for creating any in-game content. Much as you may not like what I’m about to say, or tell me I’m wrong, high sec PvP including ganking generates great in-game content. Let them be, leave them alone.

Whatever the merits or demerits of ganking, I feel you’ve presented a rather disingenuous image of the balance.

Miners, PvE-ers, traders, haulers, etc, are not interfering in anyone else’s play for their ‘in game content’. Ganking is a whole different ball game, because by definition the ‘in game content’ consists exclusively of ruining someone else’s ‘in game content’.

They are not two balanced ends of some ‘in game content’ see-saw…they are two completely different things.

[Taylor_Hartz]

Seems alot of people get off on high sec ganking or benefit from it. Thats the only opposition here. If you want pvp why dont you people go to lowsec more? its like all of your lives revolved around highsec ganking. Half the time you are ganking new players or casuals and just ruining their day out of spite. Its Toxic…

[Ax_l_Thorne]

Or in my case, do both!

[Wes_Wyhunnan]

For a dude who claimed to be burned out from null sec wars you seem really uninformed about what hi sec ganking really is.

[Aisha_Katalen]

He lost a badfit Paladin to a gank over a year ago and from the lack of zkill and forum activity after that it’s safe to assume he rage quit.

And now that he’s back he wants to badfit pallies again, minus the ganking. Hence his posts.

[Yonniya_Rainor]

@Cilla_Cybin

Whatever the merits or demerits of ganking, I feel you’ve presented a rather disingenuous image of the balance.

I respect your opinion, but I again say players, myself included, have ways to counter that: we are not without our own tools at our disposal. To use a sand castle analogy, I have three options to prevent my sand castle from being kicked over by a bully:

1. punch the bully in the face if he tries to.
2. move my sand castle building to another place where the bully doesn’t go to.
3. hide bricks in the castle and the bully breaks a toe (which I did to one neighbourhood kid when I was 9 years old and got in trouble for that but that’s another story)

It’s in our hands to decide what to do and that in turn generates player content as well.

[Taylor_Hartz]

yup badfitting paladins is what I was doing. all you people do is attack others. how toxic can you get?

[Dark_Lord_Trump]

@Taylor_Hartz

For all of you who say this is just apart of the game and I should just deal with it, I whole heartedly disagree with you. High sec Pirates and associated ganking should NOT be a thing in this game.

Why do you get to force your idea of how the game should be on us? It’s just as bad as forcing pvp on carebears. Truly your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Yonniya_Rainor

I have three options to prevent my sand castle from being kicked over by a bully:

1. punch the bully in the face if he tries to.
2. move my sand castle building to another place where the bully doesn’t go to.
3. hide bricks in the castle and the bully breaks a toe (which I did to one neighbourhood kid when I was 9 years old and got in trouble for that but that’s another story)

You actually have a fourth option

4. use social skills and convince someone to not shoot you

[Yonniya_Rainor]

@Aiko_Danuja

4. use social skills and convince someone to not shoot you

I actually have a really nice disposition as part of my social skillset, but it means nothing when I am outgunned a hundred to one by an alliance. I’d rather fly around in something less expensive to break and very easy to replace.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Cilla_Cybin

I’m actually all for ganking in highsec…it prevents life becoming boring, and also provides opportunity for anti-gank roleplay.

But I do think there has to be a better way of doing things. For example, it is totally absurd that people with -10 security status can tether up at highsec structures.

I also find it absurd that whilst all the rest of us know precisely who all the pirates are in any system, Concord seem to forget. Everyone being treated equal…despite the fact that we all know that pirates are only in a system for one reason, is absurd. There ought to be some form of penalty for being a member of a ganker group…after all, Eve doesn’t seem to have any problem associating people with their group when it comes to denying repair capability.

So you have the absurd situation where 40 gankers in Uedama can gank 800 ships in one afternoon…and the thick officers of Concord never stop and say ’ hold on…hasn’t that character already ganked 22 ships here today ? ’

How do gankers get away with claiming ganking has been nerfed, when a few dozen can gank 800 ships in an afternoon ??

There is, start ganking the gankers. When ya gonna do that instead of making excuses?

EVE gives us the tools to solve our problems. You must but pick up the hammer.

@Cilla_Cybin

Miners, PvE-ers, traders, haulers, etc, are not interfering in anyone else’s play for their ‘in game content’. Ganking is a whole different ball game, because by definition the ‘in game content’ consists exclusively of ruining someone else’s ‘in game content’.

They are not two balanced ends of some ‘in game content’ see-saw…they are two completely different things.

Everyone is content Welcome to EVE

@Taylor_Hartz

Seems alot of people get off on high sec ganking or benefit from it. Thats the only opposition here. If you want pvp why dont you people go to lowsec more? its like all of your lives revolved around highsec ganking. Half the time you are ganking new players or casuals and just ruining their day out of spite. Its Toxic…

I spend a lot of time in low

[Arumi_Liz]

Good to see you conceded defeat so soon. Only way for pirates to be punished in high sec is to have it where they can’t dock or use fitting services after falling below a certain amount of security status and make ship kills significant.

That includes ships and mobile depots or anything else like it

[Karak_Terrel]

@Taylor_Hartz

I will get told I am wrong, slandered, insulted and berated

Oh my, you are really leaning in into that victim role. It’s like they made mining for you.

@Taylor_Hartz

Some of the ideas to deal with pirates are so basic its very dumbfounding that systems like this are not in place to such high and advanced society’s that are in Eve.

The system that IS in place is called CONCORD, and the only reason they exist is suicide ganking. There is no other reason for them. CCP deliberately designed them that suicide ganking is possible. This is a feature of the game, if you like it or not, it’s designed that way.

You came to a PvP sandbox game, and the sole role you picked for yourself is a victim role. That is on you. You have all the possibilities in this game everyone else has. And even for your “self inflicted” role, there are people that successfully mine in highsec for basically decades, without having an issue with gankers, because they invested the 20min it takes to make yourself completely invulnerable to them, AKA playing the game, picking the right ship and fitting it for the task at hand, which is 1. to not die and 2. to mine ore, in that order.

The only problem that needs to be solved here is one of your own. You refuse to play the game by using the tools available that will make ganking a none issue. Something that is so easy it’s not even funny we have to discuss it once again on the forums.

[Phelan_Kheldian]

@Taylor_Hartz

For all of you who say this is just apart of the game and I should just deal with it, I whole heartedly disagree with you. High sec Pirates and associated ganking should NOT be a thing in this game.

Great, you are entitled to your own opinion; so is everyone else. And people have been saying this for years and it hasn’t changed. Maybe, just maybe. your thread will be the one to change everyone else’s mind.

Lol

[Io_Koval]

@Destiny_Corrupted

Have you tried contacting your local government representative or regulatory body?

Why local? Everyone knows it’s Icelandic law, so I’ve been writing to Icelandic Parliament.

@Destiny_Corrupted

Since these scumbags are destroying real-life financial assets (where do you think the PLEX in my cargo came from, you basement-dwelling virgin idiots!?), it should be feasible to get lawmakers involved in this matter to get these people sanctioned for their criminal activities.

I created NFTs of all my digital assets. If anyone touches them in-game without my consent, it is damaging my property. Not allowed. My NFT, my rules.

@Destiny_Corrupted

Also, if you get killed and the loss is considerable, don’t hesitate to file a police report, because you want this down on paper somewhere.

This one is tricky, because you have to file Icelandic police reports. I tried doing this in my home state of Texas but it doesn’t work. I highly recommend learning Icelandic on Duolingo because then you can file the reports natively.

@Destiny_Corrupted

With some luck, we’ll be able to pass regulations that would make it illegal for game makers to allow such acts in their video games, and CCP will have to adjust their game to reflect the needs of the people who play it

The UN Declaration of Human Rights already covers this, we just need to expand the UN to enforce their iron will with sanctions or troops so that we can be liberated from the tyranny of the gankers and any other outside party that might try to use its undue authoritarianism. To that end I’ve also been writing the UN’s chairman.

@Destiny_Corrupted

we need to do this strategically in order to not lose the initiative completely.

Completely agree, we just need to think bigger.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

No one should listen to scumbag griefers like Karak Terrel. Remember: blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. People who play peacefully and lawfully, and are victimized at every opportunity by sinners like gankers, are destined to be the true winners of EVE. We should not waste our time on arguments with these players, who are beyond salvation, but should focus our efforts on getting CCP to change the game according to modern, altruistic ideals. Just ask, and it shall be given to you. Misanthropic “PvP” doesn’t belong in society, and it doesn’t belong in video games. If we keep pressure on the game makers, some of whom still seem to be stuck in their old ways, then in time we can scrub the scourge of inter-player violence from the industry entirely, and ensure that all can enjoy and benefit from mutually-respectful cooperative gaming experiences.

[L_Amour]

@Cilla_Cybin

Miners, PvE-ers, traders, haulers, etc, are not interfering in anyone else’s play for their ‘in game content

Yes they are.
Miners mine rocks that I could mine myself.
PvE-ers shoot rats that I could shoot.
Traders sell stuff on the market in direct competition with me.
Haulers haul stuff that I could be hauling… how dare they encroach on my game content?!

Everything is PvP in EVE.

[Ax_l_Thorne]

Your logical fallacies does not equate to a logical win on the debate floor.

Nice try with the trolling though.

3/10, for effort.