All of that is totally cool. You should be able to play Eve in a low risk way and do what you want to do in the sandbox.
That said, if you want to play in a low risk, low commitment way, you should have to make some trade-offs. If not, why wouldn’t everyone play in a low risk way? In this case, that means if you don’t want the risks and obligations of defending a structure, then just don’t deploy one. That is perfectly fine.
But what wasn’t especially fine was how cheap, safe, and tedious to attack structures were. CCP has spent years now trying to get them into balance, and we still aren’t there. Maybe this forced ante will put some more risk on the table and make a clearer choice for players and get us closer.
Deploy a structure and enjoy the benefits, or choose to forgo those advantages and enjoy the extra safety. Both are valid options, but now you have to choose - you don’t get the best of both worlds.
What structures are going to be left when they come into play?
Athanors in High sec pull moon goo that you cant compress and so mining them is now pointless. The core also doubles the amount you need to put one down. If there is 5 moons with athanors in the same system and Corp or Alliance you would be a fool not to Wardec that corp.
Raitarus cores cost more than the structure and you sit with the same issue as the athanors. If you now have 5 Athanors and a Raitaru in the same system you become a even juicier target.
So my question to you is. Who will own structures in High sec? Who is going to put down a athanor knowing they going to lose it. 500 people do not want to defend it. You telling me that a corp of 50 people that realistically can field 10-15 people if you super lucky is going to push back a Wardec corp like PIRAT?
The ones owned by people willing to pay for and defend them.
As each structure gets dismantled or torn down, every surviving structure gets more valuable.
You must wonder how we moved ore before compression.
So do it! See if they can defend themselves. If not, the spoils are yours.
But don’t forget, you have to put up your own structure in order to start a dec, and that structure will have its own core.
People who think its worth it and think they can defend it.
I don’t know why you think everyone else is as bad as you. There are 50 man corps that can make near 50 man fleets. 100 man corps that can make near 100 man fleets. And then there are corps much larger than you.
And PIRAT are no more.
I don’t understand why you don’t think its a good idea when you’ve already admitted its stopped time wasters like yourself from having structures. It’s literally working as intended.
Indeed and I totally agree with you. Its why we pulled down all our structures. This does not affect us but what I am trying to point out is that it will create conflict, sure.
For how long though before all of the high sec’s corporations simply don’t have any structures in high sec because the risk is to big.
Im confused because does CCP want high sec corporations to have them or Not? If not and only NPC stations in high sec other than null that can defend it, then I would say they will achieve this.
Wardec comes in and you have 5 structures. You contact who? Who is going to defend your structures?
You mean the mercenary corp that are friends with the people wardecing you? You mean the people that once you pay 3 bil to defend your structures they now know you pay for defence and will tell more wardec corporations to dec you so they get paid 3 bil every so often?
LOL I’m not stupid and I know how it works.
Cores = No high sec structures other than Null sec ones and that’s it.
He was using that as an example, but if it helps you then I will say Blackflag.
My alliance cannot defend their structures against Blackflag.
By the way did you notice that the person you are being dismissive of was in the Tuskers?
I just feel that this is a really bad move for hisec and the more people I have talked to, the worse it appears to be. It will be interesting to see how many actually follow through on what was said to me, as many people do let off hot air, but now I am seeing people actively pulling down structures and stuff. It is going to be bad if this continues.
If 500+ people don’t think the structures are worth defending, why do they have them? If you want to use structures, why aren’t you recruiting PvP players?
Black flag have more enemies than friends. Maybe you should all shoot their WHQ.
And as if your argument is that paying other players for protection on a periodic basis or training your own members is somehow absurd.
Even if this was going to be the case (which it isn’t) it still means there are structures you can use that are better than NPC structures.
Structures are specifically designed to be conflict drivers. Yet here’s a guy whining that he cannot avoid conflict whilst enjoying structures.
Proves what they say about carebears. PvP players can be one too.
The concept is good. The prices adjustable (CCP knew what they were doing when it came to NPC buy and sell orders).
The only people who are going to lose out are people that shouldn’t have had them in the first place (Like a 500+ man alliance i recently learned about.) And everyone who keeps their structures up will make more money.
Why is this bad? There are plenty of NPC stations available, nobody in highsec needs a station of their own. And if highsec stations become rare the ones that survive are a genuine accomplishment that their owners can be proud of, not just a sign that you had 500 million ISK to drop your space house and nobody cared enough to stop you.
There are plenty of brave, foolhardy and competent highsec groups, and new ones form each day ready to try to plant their flag in New Eden. There will be a never-ending supply of upstart corps ready to take on the challenge of being a structure owner, especially if structures become more rare and thus become more valuable to the owner.
Of course CCP wants corps to be able to have them. Just not have them with no meaningful level of risk or commitment.
And you still can. The increase in cost is marginal - not even two times in most cases, even less if you count rigs - and the increase in risk remains to be seen. The large nullsec groups aren’t going to farm highsec structures for cores as it is still too much work for the payout, but perhaps there will be an increase in small mercenary groups declaring war, or perhaps not. No one can say.
Upwell structures are still underperforming as a conflict driver. Forcing a little more commitment is next logical step, and if this does go too far and every single highsec structure not owned by a nullsec group is taken down or destroyed, CCP can always make another balance change to try to change that.
But that seems very unlikely with this small change. Sure, not every 3 man corp is going to be able to have structure anymore and I understand why they might be unhappy, but there still will be plenty of people who will be deploying structures in highsec come January.
There is no need to insult him when he is talking about not being able to get numbers to defend.
My alliance did just that, but even then we could only get a few people there for their CTA and I was not active at the time. Later when we asked for their help, it was not forthcoming, though we only asked if they were interested. That is the reality of hisec. It is with simplistic one liners like that were you make it seem like you can wave a magic wand and people come flying in to white knight things that I begin to doubt you.
Almost like CCP changed reprocessing and volumes of things so old methods didn’t work when they did the moon mining updates.
I mean, sometimes you make good points but sometimes you outright troll also.
Yes… a bunch of people who can’t assist each other turning up to shoot a wardec Corp… I can’t see how this could possibly go wrong and feed kills to blackflag… Seriously?
And Lol. So remind me what the shortest time to take down a highsec structure is. And how long a wars duration is again… You are spending time here showing you actually don’t understand high sec. Just here to bash it.
At the end of the day, eh, it’s fine. But if CCP really want to make structures rare but rewarding they need to increase the high (& low) sec benefits.
And change how the rigs work as the rigs hurt medium size structures use.
Risk vs reward. They’ve upped the risk, they need to up the reward.