It’s not an opinion. It’s a fact. There are demonstrable differences between someone who shops at the TTT in Perimeter, and someone who rents from or joins TEST, Horde, NCdot, or GSF. Denying that fact doesn’t make you right, it just makes it easier to see that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Continuing this thought … In a wormhole if you have no quantum core, therefore no repair/tether/refitting
Then an Orca at a POS tower would replace the repair / refit and the bubble would replace the tether - with the added bonus of the tower attacking automatically… anyone want to buy a Tower?
Apparently someone at the top of the food chain decided to call small corp owned citadels ‘spam’ and decided to make them essentially pay for them again while guaranteeing a high price drop to whoever destroys them.
Can’t imagine why so many people are upset.
Collateral damage and all that…
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I’ll try to be clearer to avoid further miscommunication. It might even be best just to describe my current situation.
I rely on Free Port Raitarus owned by small groups to produce t2. These Raitarus are usually more than 15 jumps from Jita. I do this because the Engineering Complexes owned by ICY or other big bloc proxies that are near Jita are too expensive to be profitable due to the high system Index cost of solar systems near Jita.
There are multiple high-sec groups who are dedicated to attacking Raitaru owned by small 10 man corps with 50-100 man Leshak fleets.
When you stick a guaranteed 600M bounty on high-sec Raitaus, the Dawn, PIRATE, CODE etc are just going to rampage and these Free ports that I use will disappear. I will then be left with two options. I will have to build near Jita or in an NPC station with a low solar system index.
It’s safe to say that both of these will cost about the same, maybe a little more near jita. The system index will just keep raising until it cost a little more to produce in an Engineering comples near jita than it does in an NPC station more distance. Then some folks will move until the two cost roughly equalize.
Now, my competitors also have to eat these same costs so really all it doesn’t put me at that much of a disadvantage. I think that might be something a few of the other commentators here might not be thinking about.
However, what it does do is force me to move my production back to jita or into an NPC station.
CCP have stated explicitly that it is their desire to disburse manufacturing away from Jita and out of NPC stations. This change does the opposite and I think maybe they are looking at the bloc war and not thinking about the unintended consequences.
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That isn’t true.
You forget some of your competitors belong to these large groups so will have private structures at low costs.
From what Rattati said, it seems to have been more inspired by people using ‘spam’ citadels as an offensive tool in nullsec wars? But I don’t really see how this change is going to really impact that at all. The massed simultaneous drops may go down some, but the actual ‘we’re dropping this for a foothold and will defend the onlining timer’… is exactly the same. At most, now you use 2 haulers instead of 1, but you already had to bring the fit in after that 15-minute timer.
It’s kinda… pointless… based on what they’ve said. It just hurts small highsec groups without actually accomplishing a damned thing.
Also true.
This is a good point - everybody is dealing with the same impacts, so there’s going to have to be new solutions to address this problem. Whether it’s smaller groups banding together to protect their structures, or the existing groups expanding their protected structures elsewhere to take advantage of new markets, I think there will be a solution that lets you do what you were doing before - it’s just going to take people taking the initiative to create them.
Again, let me be clear - I am not sold on these changes at all. The more I read and the more I hear from people the less I like them. But at the same time, I don’t believe in the apocalyptic outlook that some folks have because, for the most part, the worst case scenario never materializes.
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It’s not fact, it’s your opinion.
For a small indus corp, it’s the same thing.
The next step is jut to actually join bigger corporation to reduce the costs, because it’s just less expensive.
This update FORCES small corps out of the game. They will NEED to join bigger corp to survive.
YES it’s not DIRECTLY forcing as in “prevent the creation of corp with less than 100 players”. It’s still forcing.
This is the same ■■■■■■■ piece of trash CCP did with the broker fee reduction for structure compared to stations.
Yea, but I didn’t want to get too much into the weeds. Communication has been a problem thus far.
Usually because people just decide to shut up and put up with whatever’s crammed down our throats, since it’s less effort than finding a new game.
But that only lasts so long.
Blatantly not.
Condition 1: You pay me money, you get your one little job run. If I see you, I shoot you anyway.
Condition 2: You join. Now I defend your industrial efforts, you get access to better ores, moon fracks, better PI options, a vertically-integrated set of production facilities, more market access, directly to people who tend to spend more ISK at a time than happens in Jita…
Are you going to tell me those are the same thing?
I hope not, but it might.
Who says they’ll be allowed to?
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The only thing is that there are some players who just don’t want to join and like being independent even if they are small. This kinda steps on their toes.
Yup. It absolutely does. It’s stupid and it’s heavy-handed and it sucks.
No, because we are not talking about the same thing.
Joining in a big corp for a small HS corp has nothing to do with being in blue list, because this does not make a sense in HS.
Your whole “you’ll get shot at” is a nonsense.
You’re the one insisting ‘IT’S THE SAME THING’.
It clearly isn’t, as you’ve now admitted.
Yes IN THE CONTEXT of a small HS corp IT IS.
If you think the word “join” is incorrect : what is the correct word ?
For me it’s the correct term because it’s the term used for renters, who are RACKETED by big corp. It’s not about the actual exact term, it’s about the notion.
CCP is forcing a situation that people don’t go in null to avoid, in HS where there are exactly to avoid it ! For the sake of simplicity I call that situation “join a big group” because that term is already used for several cases where you have to pay. And you and mister troll go “not it’s not joining”.
You are nitpicking.
CCP is again trying to force people into NS by removing the things in HS.
That’s just stupid. You will only have ONE big group in HS , just look at serenity.
But yes to understand that, you need to actually READ what I wrote and not stop at the terms that you believe are incorrect while you have no idea what they are used for.
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For those of you currently stuck in the swamp of semantics and terminology and “no YOU are wrong”, you know who you are, here’s a relaxing and amusing picture to look at for a short intermezzo… coz for the rest of us, we already have a bellyful of popcorn by now. Up to you if you continue the cock fight afterwards.
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@CCP_Dopamine
I think the main problem with the Quantum Core update is that outside of null block wars these structures are not ‘deployed haphazardly’ to ‘bait opponents’ nor are they used to create a “time sink grind” defensive wall.
They are deployed to be USED by their owners not as a strategy to defend/attack territory.
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Agreed
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My extended thoughts: http://dunkdinkle.com/on-the-quantum-cores/
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CCP seems to be going for the “short pass”.