Let me know when yours does. All talk. No do.
Mr Epeen 
As someone so cleverly put before in a previous comment, times are changing. This game is slowly changing to benefit its HS members finally and ganking will end up being removed with time. Its simply a waiting game, how much pressure can ccp take before they buckle to the masses.
One of the most factual comments Ive seen on here so far. The entirety of your message not just the quoted part. Eve has so many ways to be dangerous as seen just by these numbers alone. 16trillion lost and only 1.7 of that was hs and only a percentage of that would be considered ganks.
āWithout a clear indicator of the authorās intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.ā Not exactly a correct use of the phrase on your part so I put the definition to help educate you, as our intent is extremely obvious and views are sincere.
Yes this is the point. Itāll push people wanting to pvp in a few different directions. hs war corps, fw corps, low sec, or null sec. This game has so many dead low sec and nul sec systems. I only see 2 reasons why people would truthfully be against this and none of them are the excuses the gankers are giving. The first being they just have a rough home life and like taking it out on people on the internet. The second reason being the major null groups dont want a massive influx of free thinking players jumping in and trying to take over ruining the status quo they have set up over the years.
Honestly if you decided to leave for the game for the devs deciding to heal the game and support other more beneficial game play mechanics thatās on you. Thatās an equivalent of lets say you leaving a relationship because your partner decided they no longer wanted to be toxic so they started therapy. childish and pathetic but still a choice youād be allowed to make.
You seem to have made a poor comparison here so Iāll break it down. As someone with a lot of fighting experience, even in martial arts when fighting in tournaments you are fighting on fair terms with rules. Its against someone of a similar degree. Thatās what the belts are for. They arenāt going to put a white belt against a brown belt. Generally speaking, any Dojo worth a ā ā ā ā teaches students discipline, control and respect. Most gankers have none of those things. Someone properly trained to fight doesnāt just go out punching random people on the street (equivalent of ganking). Its done in defense or a place designed for it, like a ring or dojo. The people who just fight randomly in the street because of a dispute or argument are idiots and clearly have no control, discipline, or respect. Be it for themselves or the people around them.
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Beats all talk and no undock. Howās the central heating in Jita ? Wouldnāt want you to catch a chill in that space outside.
āOur intentā? You do know Destiny is running in full-parody mode, and their actual beliefs run counter to the epic extreme troll wall they post. Your posts look exactly the same. Therefore, any rational reader will conclude both of you are spouting the same extreme views but are not sincere in holding them.
In fact, your very response here is one of the play-responses I think Iāve gotten from Destiny (or one theyāve given someone else). So youāre following the playbook either way.
In the end though, your actual underlying beliefs donāt matter. Either you are parodying with Destiny and doing a great job making sincere anti-PvP extremists look like silly geese, or you are sincere and are actually a silly goose yourself (and just way too dense to notice, hence āour intentā).
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Still waiting for the link of your characters 2.4T in kill assets.
Or just keep making ā ā ā ā up.
Up to you.
Mr Epeen
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yea no my responses are serious and not a joke. I mean what i say 100%
Of an āailmentā you just invented out of thin air. There is nothing wrong with the way Eve is and has been for 20 years now. In fact, if anything the real ailment in Eve is people like yourself poisoning the well. You poison the airwaves with a make-believe āailmentā that puts people off Eve and how exciting the risk in it actually is. You pretend to be protecting noobsā¦when really you are proposing changes that would make the game boring for them. You grossly exaggerate the amount of ganking in Eve for that purpose. It is all lies that are toxic to the fundamental nature of a dark, dystopian game like Eve.
If Eve needs āhealingā it is from the disease you yourself create.
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@RGC_Godfather Gankers are at a disadvantage. Once haulers and miners learn the game, they should never be ganked. I have never been ganked once hauling or mining. I frequently donāt follow my own advice and I afk mine and fly partial routes on auto pilot while I make myself a sandwich or play with my cat.
All haulers need to do is learn the cloak/microwarp trick on a fairly fast aligning ship and they are almost invulnerable in high sec.
If miners are paying attention, it is almost impossible for them to be caught on grid in high sec.
If you like martial arts, then you should know that fighting is kind of fun. PVP is the best part of EvE. Eliminating it from high sec will ruin my main game play as a hauler.
My analogy stands.
Please stop trying to remove simulated spaceship fighting from a spaceship fighting simulator.
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Should life be harder for gankers? Yes and no. Gankers are using the rules of the game to get around the rules of the game. As much as I hate gankers, thereās technically nothing wrong with it. There isnāt anything saying that you canāt obliterate a ship in highsec. Itās implied, but not outright stated. Do I think gankers only take up ganking because they suck at PvP? Yes. But at the end of the day, itās a spaceship game. Let the degenerates have their degenerate fun
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I donāt care what you ābelieveā. I know that is the figure and thatās good enough for me. By all means respond with yet more childish ānananananaā.
I agree with the fact that haulers and miners need to learn how to avoid gankers. People make hauling sound extremely dangerous, but itās safe enough when you actually learn how to pay attention and learn to deal with the potential risks
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There is no constant drum beat, itās like a handful of threads each month, half of which are started over and over again by the same people under different alts.
The thread also isnāt about āganking being out of controlā, itās about āShould ganking have more consequences (make life harder) for gankers?ā. Which is a somewhat valid question, itās just posted badly by a troll poster so the threadās pretty much a waste anyway.
Consequences, practices and mechanics of ganking are a reasonable topic, but the issue has basically devolved to the same shouting match between the āganking is evilā, āganking is okay as long as itās happening to other peopleā, and āganking is what EVE is all aboutā crowds. And they all knee-jerk out the same responses regardless of the actual topic.
The very predictability of the arguments shows just what a lame rut ganking is in, but as long as the subs keep rolling in I donāt think CCP has the guts to risk rocking the boat too much in either direction.
Most of the anti gank crowd have absolutely zero idea what the consequences actually areā¦precisely because they have never gankedā¦thereās the irony. They seem to imagine that ganking is risk and consequence free.
For starters, even a small fleet of 4 T2 Catalysts can be 55m to 60m ISK. Thereās an ISK consequence right off the bat. Then thereās kill rights. The gankee, or whoever they choose, gets to have a free pot shot at the ganker without Concord interference. If they play that right, it is even more cost for the gankers. And for those gankers who choose not to go below -5 security, there is the cost of clone tagsā¦which are 48m or so ISK each and each one covers 0.5 security status or about 3 ganks. Ohā¦and a 6m ISK āConcord Feeā on top of that.
So the true cost of each gank is actually about 30m ISK per gank for any good T2 ganker. Which is 120m ISK for that fleet of 4. So even using less expensive fits to gank a 90m ISK bargeā¦the fleet makes barely any ISK at allā¦yet runs the risk of the gank failing and all that ISK being lost. The idea that gankers just have a āTally ho !ā attitude and gank anything in sight āwithout consequenceā is a myth invented by those who have never ganked.
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Honestly, all I can see is āboo hoo, I canāt ruin this poor new guyās entire experience with the game without paying for it firstā. Itās not 90m barges, itās 1.8b exhumers. However, I do think newer players need to learn that this game isnāt all puppies and sunshine, even in highsec. Itās a delicate balancing act, and Iām surprised CCP is able to keep the entire player base from entering an all out war over this (this didnāt reply to the right message for some reason, this was in context of that guy going over the costs of ganking)
I guess I may be older than you are, and consequently have a longer-term view, but reading the same thing month in and month out sounds like a constant drum beat to me.
I think we did not read the same threads. In this thread there were posts claiming that ganking was clubbing baby seals and that gankers needed therapy. I didnāt read much in the way of a serious discussion of mechanics.
I guess we both answered this in the paragraph before.
I not sure that ganking is in a rut, but I am not a ganker. These posts calling for the nerfing of ganking one way or the other do seem to be following the same rut though.
Can you quote where this was said?
Hereās the quote, I boiled it down quite a bit, and there is a decent argument in here.
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Ohā¦that would be fun. Please, CCPā¦when can the Psychopaths vs Carebears war start ? Yes, this should be settled in-game.
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That would be hilarious. FW, but much more highsec focused
Hello @TheHound_OfGreys. Was this post quoting Altara meant to answer my question? If so I donāt rean anywhere in Altaraās post where she said anything close to āboo hoo, I canāt ruin this poor new guyās entire experience with the game without paying for it firstā.
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