Well, there is always opportunity cost and the issue of risk is not a game mechanic issue really.
First nobody has ever been bumped for 12 hours. Ever. I really wish this kind of histrionics would be avoided. Second, those getting bumped should not have taken such risks.
And I am going to repeat this.
Because a player is imprudent and foolish does not mean that those taking advantage of that imprudence should face a similar level of risk. Nor should that risk be imposed by the Devs.
That is not the only form of preventative play. Ganking is largely done for profit. Cut/reduce out the profit and the risk is also cut out/reduced.
Bumping might not have been intended, but it is fine. The problem here is not the mechanic. It is people taking on too much risk.
Perma-bumping is a stupid mechanic.
Playing the game with an attitude of not being responsible for your ship and assets is a joke.
For me, its largely an issue of principle/design.
I dont really care what the soft/cap on perma-bumping would be, just that one exists.
Locking a player out of control of their ship permanently with one other ship is just stupid.
Do you know of instances where ships were bumped for hours? If so, tell us who so we can get to the source of the claim.
Just because itâs mechanically possible doesnât mean it happens.
Doesnât matter if it happens or not.
That it can happen, is bad design.
Itâs not an issue if it doesnât happen. It isnât relevant in this discussion because it doesnât happen.
CCP has proven time and time again that they prefer to take a hands off approach when managing the sandbox, and make changes are situations call for it. A good example would be if suddenly we saw a large number of pilots bumping for hours on end to the point where it was having a serious impact on the support ticket queue⌠CCP would then do something about it.
Another good historical example would be the log server and watch list. The log server was being used for a long time but wasnât actually nerfed until it came to light that players were abusing it in conjunction with the watchlist. People had cried about the watchlist for a LONG time and only seemed to do something about it until it was proven that there was serious gamebreaking abuse. The log server was modified and the watchlist nerfed.
Then why do you care if they cap it.
If it never happens, then a cap is not a problem.
Unfortunately, bumping has been accepted as legit gameplay by CCP for ages.
And the mechanic is broken, because it makes perfectly sense to bump with a tiny ship into e.g. a titan, keeping it from aligning, and not take damage whatsoever, right?
There is nothing bookmarks can save you from, if you are on your way to Jita and have to pass that 0.5 system, exit the gate and need to align.
You can see debris all around the gates - you need to align to the next gate, nothing a bookmark will take away.
And yes, quite some ppl bump for shits and giggles and even less, because they are bored and have fun ruining other ppls gameplay. They do it even in high-sec and when there is nothing to gain at all but a Killmail, been there. Some people in EVE are, letâs call it, weird, in that they have fun in hurting other players and ruin their experience.
By reducing the cargo, yes, that makes sense when you need a freighter to haul something. If you would not need that size of cargo, which results in some value being in it, you wouldnât use a freighter in the first place.
Also makes perfect sense that reds can up their standing with CONCORD all the time.
Gank people, get bad rating, do some missions and get rating back up, rinse and repeat. Because CONCORD is just stupid and says like âwell, youâve proven to be a bad guy dozens of times, but hey, you did some missions for me again, letâs forget about itâ - until next time. So another broken mechanic.
For quite some people this broken mechanics ruins the fun while providing what-they-call âfunâ to others and itâs doing so for years already. No sign of a real improvement, for many many years. Sad.
On the otherhand, damage from bumping could have some really good results for content.
no one is hurting anyone through bumping. please donât abuse words like this. the bumper isnât repeatedly bumping his boot into his face and there is no physical harm being done. any potential psychological harm âcausedâ, would actually mean that the bumper surfaces already existing problems, and would only mean that the bumped person already has issues a professional should be taking care of.
thanks.
CCP will will do with it as they see fit. I personally would like to see it unchanged only because bumping is something I enjoy. I donât bump people for hours, but once you go down the road to nerfs, where will they stop? The people that scream the loudest arenât always right.
If it were to be changed to a 3, 15, or 30m timer or even completely removed I would be fine. While I would strongly oppose these changes and go down swinging, I can adapt what I do around them.
Youâre playing a video game. Nothing has to be realistic or make sense.
Youâre wrong. A good set of strategically placed bookmarks can help you catch warp and escape the bumper.
Sometimes there additional value in a kill other than a killmail. You donât think there are freighter gankers that are in the business of producing and selling freighters?
This is what Eve Online is. Itâs one of the few games where being a bad guy or villain are allowed. If you donât like it, go play another game.
This is a game. It doesnât have to make sense.
Hauling is fun? Now I know youâre lying.
Still, there are broken mechanics and they get abused, where the one who does that never would call it that way in a million years, of course.
Youâre right, thatâs EVE. There always has been a minority that do this kind of thing, also like blew up newbie miners in 1.0 high sec and feel very cool about it, scam newbies in trading hubs, or worse, while there are more than enough playgrounds for them, like whole nullsec, where quite some players can not engage for one or another reason.
And how am Iâm lying in that it ruins the fun in the game for those that are doing industry stuff?
Of course running a freighter isnât fun, but itâs part of the business. Yes sure, I could do the Jita trip like a couple of dozend times in a row with a smaller ship, that sounds like even more fun, does it?
I want pew pew as well, but for that I have to earn the ISK and the prices for ships only know one direction: up. No ISK, no pew pew, so why Iâm in this game anyway? Iâm no longer, because these mechanics plain suck, ruined the fun I had and CCP has no intention whatsoever to change that. Again, you have more than enough space to play.
See, working weeks to produce stuff and get ganked (actually never happeneed to me in a freighter btw.) in that one 0.5 âlow-secâ system I have to cross, does ruin more than your day, especially if you are in a freighter which costs a fortune for those not lucky enough to be in nullsec and there are many of these people. People who actually also pay their subscriptions which are part of keeping EVE running - you can deny that, but youâll eventually see where this ends up. Player numbers do stagnate, they even went down to a level Iâve seen last quite some years ago. If that trend continues, neither you nor me will have internet spaceships anymore. I can live with that, can you?
Also, please explain how bookmarks can save me when I jump into a system and the exit point is pretty much random.
It does for undocking, but not when I jump into a system. How many bookmarks am I supposed to have, so that at least one of them is perfectly aligned to my position? If those gankers are not stupid, and usually they are not, you have nothing but a few seconds until they get to you in their dedicated gank ships. Thatâs not enough to align a freighter, even with a webber, who is likely not to enter the system next to you anyway.
Why donât you simply go back to nullsec and mess with those that go there, itâs your dedicated playground, so whereâs the problem with that?
That whole âItâs a game, nothing has to make senseâ argument is very weak, btw. Maybe you can come up with something better next time and at least try to make an argument?
I think Iâve made my point, I know that your view, that many others do share, wonât change, simply because people like you tend to say âitâs my sandbox, everything is allowed, if you donât like it, go awayâ. And so do many many players, they go away. Weâll see where this ends up in the short run, me thinks.
Please note that itâs not my intention to attack you personally, but your post was a good example for the mindset of quite some people that do this kind of stuff. All I wanted is to point out that one should not do everything thatâs possible, just for the sake of it. It will have consequences for EVE in the long run and I think we already can see where this all is ending up, which will make neither you nor me happy at all. Until then:
Fly safe o7
So nice that you saved me the time needed to read the rest of your post. 
Is this really an issue? How many people have been bumped for no other reason than bumping. How many people have been bumped, log off and the bumpers suicide alts into them until they log back in? How often are people bumped for more than 20 minutes, 30 mintues, 1 hour, 2 hours? Iâd like to see a frequency table of this.
Especially in a game that is rather explicit that your actions will have consequences.
This never ever happens. Nobody is permanently locked out.
I am not going to worry about something that does not happen.
Opportunity cost. If we take Devs and put them to work on a non-issue then they cannot work on a known issue.
What i find quite disgusting by now, is how there are people constantly complaining, or even outright bitching, about things a tiny minority of people does.
The amount is so tiny, itâs literally one or two hand full of people. I would be amazed if itâs two dozen!
AND STILL, people have no shame at all blowing things out of proportion, declaring that it hurts retention, that it hurts new players, that it makes people quit the game!
Do you people have no actual problems? Are your lives so perfect, that you have nothing better to complain about? Why do so many people constantly try to trample on a few people, who barely have any effect on the bigger picture?
Itâs flabbergasting.
This sort of harassment could fall under rule 16 of the Terms of Service: https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/terms-of-service-en/
- You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
But it would have to be proven as pure harassment and nothing more conducive than that. Bumping has its PVP uses and is allowed for that. You have to prove the lack of PVP intent with this guyâs behavior, and then MAYBE a GM will agree with you that itâs harassment and deserves action.
Look⌠No one is bumped forever. The reality is, one of the following happens if you are being bumped.
The bumper is part of a ganking group. You are out of luck and will most likely be relieved of your ship within 15 minutes. Shut up in local, donât feed the trolls, and accept that you were probably flying a juicy loot pinata or were the victim of random violence. It happens, move on.
The bumper is trying to extort isk from you. Ignore them, donât pay, and let them bump away. They will get bored and leave to find better targets. Be patient, shut up in local, donât feed the trolls, and wait. You will be able to get back to normal in less time than it takes to train a skill to level 2.
The bumper is trying to trick you into accepting a duel from their webbing alt. Donât accept the duel or the help. Itâs a trap, donât get caught. Again⌠Be patient, shut up in local, donât feed the trolls, and wait. You will be able to get back to normal in less time than it takes to train a skill to level 2.
In all cases, youâll be back to playing soon enough. You may lose a ship, such is eve. You may have some time wasted, take up a side hobby you can do to pass time in EVE. Youâll need that anyways (I crochet). You may even learn something, but in the end youâll be free to play in less time than it takes to read this whole thread and move on with your life.
Oh and⌠If you do feed the bumper with your tears in local or private chat or pay them isk, you have played into their hands and they will keep bothering you and others.
If you Ignore them, not post in local, and be patient, you too can can beat them with the same weaponized boredom used to beat fleets in nul.