Yah but he mansplained it to me and now we are copacetic.
Then I watched him either lay a landmine or tread on one with ^.^
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You literally asked me to explain it
So I am greatly confused. Hateless was bumped by Adrien, which he calls griefing and harassment. He feels CCP should âdo somethingâ about that and wonât stream/create EVE content unless they do. Fine, everyone is entitled to a tantrum, I can recommend it.
Now other people make forum and reddit threads. OP talks about toxic behavior and griefing, keeps bringing up RL harassment in this context. Words like stalking are used. But everyone is in agreement that IRL threats are wrong (and so far i have heard no accusations of such being done by Adrien).
Why bring it up then? What other accusation is here, other than âAdrien bumped my Orcaâ? If you throw words like toxicity and harassment around, I find it problematic if you do not describe concretely what you mean.
Itâs problematic because, as said already, you are demeaning actual harassment, which does occur ingame. People gave you frequent examples of people being threatened by other players after interacting in PvP. Not only is there a culture in the EVE community that excuses abusive behavior after losing a ship, this is echoed in the CCP support team.
In fact, you can go to the reddit thread and probably the YT comments and see people calling Adrien names. Quote from reddit: âThis is a great game, however, some horrible human beings play it. sad to see HateLess taking a brake because of some low life, stay strong manâ
There are many other reported examples, letâs take OPs, stalking. It is not uncommon for obsessive people to single a person out online or IRL. Why people do this, is not important, but for arguments sake letâs say itâs somebody with a vendetta. These people usually feel very justified in whatever they are doing to hurt someone or to gather information(to hurt the victim). These people can be very destructive and the threat should be taken seriously.
For victims this is very scary and generally people are not really sensible to the issue. Any victims of stalking should be listened to and be supported. If people start threatening you with death, try to find out RL info about you (doxing etc.), verbally insult you in the worst imagineable ways, that is harassment.
Now here is what is making me really angry: Equating normal ingame interactions with actual real life harassment. This not only insensitve and insulting to real victims (in EVE and offline), it makes addressing problems worse, if not impossible. You are creating a climate where people canât take claims of harassment seriously.
Let me spell it out again: crying harassment in a ToS relevant sense after normal ingame interactions is actual toxic behavior and people should call it out.
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I know Im only joking around with Wadiest. Weâre old pals. Dont take it personally.
Ok so back on topic, you arent going to give any actualspecific example of this thing thats rife but only done by a minority.
Instead we are going on to
Ok. So how is a guy in Pennsylvania gonna kill me here in Belfast? He gonna fly over? How is anyone supposed to take a death threat online seriously in a game?
What, EvE Mailing? To say what? Im going to imagine killing you?
Why would anyone worry about that?
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Because I am not talking about the hateless situation merely harassment in game & outside of it
EVE Online is an open world PvP game. Anyone can touch your ship when youâre undocked. Your consent is not required; in fact, your consent is implied simply by playing and undocking. EVE is one of the few games (one of the only ones I can think of off the top of my head presently) that allows for this level of antagonism and competition between players.
And thatâs a good thing. Itâs sad that the community is losing a popular content creator, however, I am not sad to see Hateless leave after his rant stating âuntil CCP does something about griefing (aka playstyles Hateless doesnât like), I will not be making EVE content.â Instead of learning mechanical responses to griefing, he whines to Daddy to come and save him. This has no place in EVE.
EVE Online players have an understanding and agreement regarding how the game is played and the culture of the game. You, and Hateless, are the ones who donât fit in. You are in a tiny, vocal minority.
Now, you keep talking about âreal life threatsâ, âmailsâ, but Hateless never mentioned that in his video. And your post is inspired by Hateless so you are being disingenuous in mentioning these things. This is something youâre making up to lend credibility and weight to your argument.
If you donât like EVE, just go play another game.
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Again this post is about harassment even if you really want it to be about hateless I am sorry its just not I am sure you will continue tell me what my post is about at any rate XD
You see, everyone doubts that, because the thread is literally titled:
âStreamer stops due to griefâ
And opens with:
âmy favorite streamer [âŚ] has just stopped making contentâ
If you want to talk about real IRL harassment I know one person that carries a gun with them because of IRL doxxing plus group threats and another who has been swatted. One of them doesnât play EVE anymore and another had to quit his job and move over it.
But thatâs not the topic of your conversation now is it.
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Go power trip somewhere else dude. In your original post you state:
The streamer in question is Hateless and the âgriefingâ in question is ganking, bumping, and contesting his sites (all valid gameplay). You got pushed back hard and now youâre trying to wiggle out of it saying itâs not about Hateless and itâs about âharassmentâ (âthreatsâ, âmailsâ) - none of which was mentioned by Hateless and all of which are already covered in the EULA and TOS.
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Due to âgriefâ âharassmentâ âtoxicityâ yes lets talk about it
Nope you can read the entire thing iâve been saying this the whole time as that is what its about 
other players have also said they have received death threats nothing to do with hateless
example of harassment in eve i cant see what it has to do with hateless either though im sure you will say that it is
Thereâs not more to say.
CCP Games can ban everyone from Eve Online and it doesnât change the fact that IRL stalkers know of and have animosity for another IRL person.
Itâs also not really my story to tell, Iâve already said more than appropriate.
Just for context, and forum metagaming, this would be the wrong section for it. This is Crime&Punishment, related to (forum section header) :
This is the place to discuss the criminal side of EVE Online.
From discussing war, ransoms, scamming, extortion and other illicit activities, to warning other pilots against dealing with unsavory characters, this forum category is for topics relating to the darker side of New Eden.
Youâd normally put this in GD
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This has already been shown to be a lie by others and myself.
As an aside, this Jaurl guy is pretty toxic. Bossing people around, telling them what theyâre allowed to talk about, trying to force topic changes on a thread, being condescending and responding to people with insincere friendliness. I think we should petition to have him banned. EVE needs less toxic players like Jaurl.
So what, the thread is mistitled because a) Its inaccurate and b) not what the poster actually wants to talk about?
F my hat
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Just trying to keep on topic
oh where was I exposed as a liar?
ok if you want to consider grief to be misrepresentative of the topic
I feel at this point you are just being facetious. You named the thread âStreamer stops due to griefâ and talk about it directly:
You made the connection, not us.
We also gave you examples of toxic behavior, harassment and IRL threats. You were pretty callous about those and we keep brining up the culture in EVE that excuses abusive verbal rants after being âvictimsâ of pvp.