No, I’m afraid you are asking for the impossible and expecting support.
I hope Hateless remains open to interview invitations but it is probably for the best that he takes a break from EVE [epistula vasto exaggero] streaming for a while. Toxic load is a thing.
@Jaurl_Kurvora
First off, I would suggest you to just ignore some individuals out here. Their sole purpose of existence is to swamp threads with meaningless posts to insure there no constructive discussion are possible.
Regarding Hateless, he is (was) one of most helpful EVE streamer/youtuber, and there are a lot of players who came to EVE thanks to him. While all what greefers do is to drive people away from the game.
EVE is, probably, the only game in which greefing and harassment is considered as a feature by devs. Great job, CCP.
Streamers are the devil.
Ban them.
LOL nope. You keep on moving those goal posts.
Lemme break it down for you brosef.
LOL wut. You’re playing EVE. If you wanna fly safe solo play Elite and just shoot rocks there ROFL.
His advice cant have been up to much if he got sniped then ragequit because he was ganked.
Moving the goal posts? did you even read the thread
— not about ganking so move on lul
He is easy to defeat. All you need is a
If a player feels he is being harassed, but not to a lvl that it breaks any rules, there are groups like us can help (time zone and location permitting)
We have helped streamers in the past, some times without the streamer knowing, once a spy gave us info on a stream snipe about to go down, we went along too help.
Eve is a reactive game, we are not free to do as we want, other players influence what we do, if ccp take no action on this pilot give us his name and let others take action.
This seems a little odd to me. The post reads as though this is some how a problem rife within the EVE community that CCP needs to tackle.
There are devices in place to punish this kind of aberrant behaviour in game however this is someone who actively chose to make themselves a celebrity. That comes with risks and one of those is opening themselves up to the more toxic elements of humanity. This isn’t an EVE problem for CCP to fix. This is a human problem.
If you lack the resources to protect yourself suitably I would recommend avoiding the public eye on platforms that can’t protect you adequately. Seems like twitch or whatever is dropping the ball here not CCP.
Its not not unique to ‘celebrities’ anyone can be ‘burned’ in EvE or it can bleed through to real life — when it happens to large streamers that does tend to microphone the issue
It would seem the systems in place may not be stopping these people
This is indeed A human problem but CCP is a publisher as well as A games company
that comes with responsibilities
So you want CCP to strengthen your playstyle by banning another one that has a really really long history?
A lot of gankers have been paying their subscription fees for a few years now.
Ganking is PvP. And PvP is as already said, EVERYWHERE. If that is too hard, yes you are free to find a comparable game and leave.
And no, I do not want your stuff.
and when a streamer streams, he usually knows that he will get so much attention. There is just easy to expect visitors - and if you then have a small fleet that tries to protect, this problem would not have arisen in the first place.
Far too many play this mostly solo - and that’s already the biggest mistake.
Nope — don’t want ganking banned or changed at all glad we cleared that up
This is about toxicity & not specifically about streamers this involves lots of people
“I think it would make our ancestors weep to see weakness championed so strongly.”
-Barry Scott, Cillit Bang advertisement, 2009
I have never ganked, I’m usually the one that is being ganked. I don’t particularly like being ganked, but the potential of being ganked, etc. is why I (and many with me) play the game. It’s the dangerous and unpredictable player element that makes EVE more then just a grindbox.
Streamsniping is a generally frowned upon activity, but CCP has indicated that they won’t be doing anything about that. That policy isn’t new for EVE Online.
(Death) threats out of character (and out of game) should be dealt with harshly! Others have stated that account banning resulted in another account just spewing harsher threats, just keep reporting, eventually they’ll run out of IPs… If you perceive the threats as serious, please report them to your local authorities.
If people do things you don’t like via Twitch, as a Streamer you have the option to ban them. If people send you threatening emails, you can just block those accounts. If they do it via chat or ingame mail, just screenshot it, document the accounts linked to that char and report it to CCP. Just reporting it once and expecting CCP to fix everything for you indicates that you have a serious disconnect with reality! These things take time and effort. Now… That is for RL threats, for in game, in character threats… This is EVE!
People systematically sabotaging/killing your mining fleets or PVE fleets, this is EVE PVP. Systematically killing your mining fleet means less product on the market, more demand for replacement ships, thus more demand and thus isk for someone. Is that the ganker him/her self? Of is that ganker hired by someone? Or is that ganker living on salty tears instead of isk? It is all possible and allowed in EVE! It also allows me to revisit those gankers from 10 years ago whenever I choose too… 
CCP has spoken out on griefing, but that was in my recollection regarding new player griefing, nothing more, nothing less. Heck, some people even shower a new player with millions of isk when they kill a ship and then realize it’s a new player. They often even apologize, it’s not everyone that does this, but it happens more often then I thought possible!
That said, HateLesS is generally a nice guy, very helpful on stream, always willing to listen and explain things. So people getting a kick out of harassing people like that, I call bullies. I don’t like bullies. But what you don’t do is giving them satisfaction! In this case that’s exactly what HateLesS is giving them. He’s annoyed, he’s quit streaming EVE, he’s made a YT ‘I rage quit streaming EVE’ video. Expecting them to stop now is like asking the hyena “You ate my arm, isn’t that enough!?”.
By now the griefers should know all his character names, the locations and content he likes to farm and how he does it. I suspect that they won’t stop until HateLesS quits the game, and that is a shame! But we knew going into EVE that people could do this, that people are allowed to do stuff in EVE your not allowed to do in other games. Isn’t that what drew us to EVE in the first place? The stories about massive spy, steal, and sabotage jobs.
HateLesS has had this issue in the past, but it seems like he’s had more of this since he moved and joined a NullSec corp. I’m not sure if that’s true (maybe someone can enlighten me), because I’ve not been watching much (either the time slots were horrible for me or the NullSec corp content wasn’t interesting to me). I’m pretty sure that the type of content and how you stream it are going to influence the kind of people you attract (both good and bad).
Ah ha! Well if you join the bad guys,what do you expect?
The part about risk yes that is what draws people to EvE the part about harassment — well games can & do evolve this may be one of those things where the toxic game of today should be left in the past
If people are targeting him that literally is an issue & is not ok even via game
its just not acceptable behavior in a society & should be changed if CCP like it or not
Anyone doing these types of acts should be banned ruthlessly
Didn’t we all know this was a possibility when we started playing EVE? If this is an issue, why start playing EVE in the first place? It’s like complaining about a bloody nose when you entered a MMA ring (intentionally), you know it’s a very strong possibility.
You don’t step into a MMA ring if you have blood-clotting issues. The same is true when you step into EVE, if you’re not able to cope with or are willing to learn to cope with arseholes, EVE is not the game for you. And don’t get me wrong, I’ve had periods in my EVE life where I didn’t have the emotional bandwith to deal with the ingame, forum, and YT drama. Then I step back and do/play something else.
The issue here is that it’s also a streamer/YouTuber… That makes you a public figure, a far larger target. If you do that for fun/satisfaction, you stop when it’s no longer fun or satisfactory, no biggy. If you do this for work, as a business, or want it to become your business, this is not OK. And yes, the people that prey on people that are susceptible to this, are scum of the earth. But again, as a business owner you either adapt or get out of the business and do something you are a good fit for.
You want to ban legitimate and non-rule breaking behavior that is even advertised and glorified by CCP (see many of their trailers). You’d also ban stream sniping because any streamer could legitimately claim they were harassed by being killed or attacked. You would also open a can of nasty worms for any engagement with streamers because they could easily claim harassment if you headshot the stream fleet’s FC or other things relevant to the stream.
Besides, the EVE Online - Terms of Service - EVE Community state that you, for instance, must not use offensive et al. language, but that would get almost the entire playerbase banned because a “Screw you” is among the most common phrases seen in local chat.
The TOS also state that you are required to report out of game harassment or threats to local law enforcement authorities. If he received out of game correspondence with such content, he knows what to do.
No, it’s a video game, nobody should expect to be harassed and abused. Not everyone is a sociopath.
Go ahead and try to market that pitch. “Don’t play EVE if you are prone to mental health issues because people will deliberately try to push you over the edge as part of the game”. Seriously guy, if this is your attitude about a video game you need to seek immediate help before you start decapitating cats.
The ultimate goal of any game is entertainment, win or lose, people should be entertained. If your gameplay involves deliberately trying to deprive others of entertainment then you’re the problem. It’s basic sportsmanship, no?
You may want to read this
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player is also within the rules already in fact that is the first rule
Though as I have already stated this may not be enough as people seem to be falling through the cracks
No I do not want a ban on ganking & have never said so