In IRL I do as well. In game. well, not so much. If a new player gets shot up and whines. My only sympathy to him is. This Eve. It is going to happen. Want to learn how best defend yourself? Find a corp that will legitimately teach you. Or join Uni as it is the oldest teach/learnie corp in the game. Or not and learn with every ship that needlessly gets blown up.
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A boring answer that has been given here many, many times. It explains nothing and has nothing to do with ethics. It doesnāt get any better just by repeating it. Besides, you have no idea what the difference is between ordinary reality and virtual reality. You probably canāt explain what reality is at all.
Let me ask you a question. What is the determining factor for you when you decide whether something can be done or not? What is the main criterion for you?
Youre the only one with a problem. Everybody else knows EVE is not a nice and friendly game
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So you think EVE is a bad game? What makes you think I have problems? No need to spam short meaningless lines.
I said eve is not a nice and friendly game. Doesnt make it a bad game
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What is ānot a nice gameā? Letās say Iām ānot a nice manā. Does that mean Iām a bad person?
It makes no sense to me to discuss the terms āniceā or ābadā before you even have understood the term āgameā.
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Do you understand this term? Explain.
Within a game you can play pretend to be a bad guy without being unethical or bad in real life.
But you seem to struggle with that idea.
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This. A thousand times this.
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Great. Do you think that a bad deed in the game canāt be considered bad? Can you prove it?
In eve scams happen all the time. To the scammer he/she has done nothing wrong. Of course to the one that has been scammed it is wrong. At the same time in this game it is permitted and will not get you banned. There plenty of actions in this game that would get you banned in any other game.
But here it is essentially a free for all. Make your Isk as you see fit. Rob your corp. Why not. It has happened and will again. Want to be the biggest baddest Pirate in the game. It has been done. Though all this things does come with consequences. In the case of robbing your own corp as you go out the door. You may nt be as trusted as the next player, But in the last time it was done. It was all good. As the corp the player was joining knew what he was about to do and was OK with it.
In the case of that Pirate. His infamy was such that anywhere he went. There was a shoot on sight. As I understand it. He tried to sell the 'toon and no one would buy it. The name had become that infamous.
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Throughout New Eden there are players who have done a lot of āgoodā Mikeās Magic School Bus. Which I support from time to time. And some which are real characters. A few that are either have or are trying for that infamy.
Any playstyle that does not break the EULA. Which does put some limitations on players. Mainly you can not go out and purposefully harass someone either in or out of game.
But ārightā or āwrongā. Well that depends on which side of what you are standing on at that moment. Read some of the Lore or even a couple of stories. āRightā or āwrongā is in the eye of the beholder. To paraphrase an old saying.
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Have you ever heard of people getting charged with murder, fraud, theft, etc based solely on their in-game actions? There is your proof. Itās make believe, if you canāt tell the difference, then video games are not for you.
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So you think that good and bad are relative concepts? That it is impossible to establish objective truth? No need to refer to the EULA. Those who wrote it did not correlate it with moral standards. If you come to a country where cannibalism is legal, will you also adhere to it?
Absolutely. Some were even executed for it. For example, cheating at poker. Cheating at a thimble-rig on the street.
False equivalency. Eve Online is a game.. Let me repeat that for those in the back of the room. Eve Online is a game.
When I am playing a tabletop rpg game. The character choices, world view, and philosophy are not mine. Currently i am in two different tabletop games. One is a cleric that is a healer. The other is a dwarf fighter. That was sent to spy on a human city as part of his backstory.
I can separate a fantasy character from own RL. Whether it is a video game or a tabletop RPG. I wish you could as well, As then we could be having a far different conversation.
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Thatās not a video game, poker is also gambling which is codified into laws.
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I donāt care about fantasy characters and RPGs. Thatās not what Iām talking about. You can actually harm another person in the game. Both moral and material. If you can prove that you canāt harm another person in the game, Iāll take my words back.
Even if you canāt cause material damage to another person by acting dishonestly in a video game, which is not the case in EVE, there is also such a thing as moral damage. You can cause them moral suffering.