SMH Only if you allow it to harm you. In Eve you are going to run into scammers. And you might just get scammed anyways. The only harm to another player is being a little ISK and maybe a ship or two poorer. That is it. Nothing else. Eve Is a game where right makes right. A hyper-capitalist system where we all play a damn near eternal characters.
Also by your own logic. What I play as character in and tabletop RPG you could make the same argument. Though you would be just as wrong.
A person can buy game currency for real money. Moreover, do it in the official game store. If you deceived him, then to some extent you caused him material damage.
So itās very important that you play by the rules, not exploiting or bypassing the game mechanics. I need a rule that clearly states that such actions are allowed in the game. That CCP takes full responsibility.
Good luck with that..
It is not exploiting or by passing game mechanics. When it is A. It is not a bannable offense, and B. Is actually part of the game and is an acceptable playstyle.
But you can check the EULA all on your own.
Welcome to Eve Online. Sometimes known Spaceships and spreadsheets. When undocked you have consented to PVP. Where might makes right and is a hyper-capitalist simulator.
If you can not get behind that. I might suggest that you should ask yourself why you are here. And why are you playing this game. I am not telling not to play, but to ask yourself why play a game that is all that I have stated above. Yet you have a problem with its philosophy of how the game is played.
Firstly, I am not playing the game now, but I am on the forum. It is not a fact that I will play it. Secondly, I think it is important to ask the questions that I ask here before making a decision. Thirdly, I think this game is one of the best on this topic, despite its shortcomings. Therefore, I would like to play it.
Well you need to care for RPGs. EVE is an RPG.
I am going to assume you meant Jita.
I think your main issue is framing. You did not lose a ship . . . you tricked another supposedly older and wiser player into expending a Thrasher for your small corvette which you can replace for free. Well done, you.
No, Eve is not safe but you were the smarter person flying a ship you can replace for free and lost very little except perhaps time.
I honestly do not see where the problem is and the rest of this thread is the usual forum folks dragging all the most common arguments in so they can have their weekly āoh yeah? well yer stupid head tooā
Concord does not guard, it avenges.
when you mentioned morality? Yeah that may be a thing for you and how you play but others are not bound by your code of ethics.
welcome to eve.
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Well alrighty then.. You have fun with your moral dilemma then.. Just remember when the players that Lydra warned you about show up. They are not going to be kind or considerate. Take her advice and leave.
This game is not going to be a good fit. Your premise of having a moral dilemma with what happens in this game. It is going get old and others are going to tire of your constant nonsense of this moral dilemma.
I am done. And Mike I think I have been more than patient and have not even alluded to him to being a stupid head. I have tried to understand where he is coming from. I have, I believe, engaged in a meaningful dialog with him.
But at this point he has made his case and i simply do not see why he has this problem. Other than he does. So I am going to take it off my watch list and let go at that.
You didnāt quite understand what I was writing about. I have a character with billions worth of implants in his head. I take my alt to find the medbay because I canāt undock my main even in the pod. I go out as an alt on a noob ship and he gets killed. Just like that, without any benefit. Should I undocking my main character after this? See how careful I am. Thatās why Iāve only lost two minor ships in Jita so far. Remember, I signed up in 2011. For reference, I undocking on a pod and replaced my implants. And Iāll be taught caution here. Do I like the situation in the game, in general? No, I donāt like this situation.
Excellent, you decided not to think about the problems I raised, but to resort to rudeness. Indeed, why object with arguments when you can call the interlocutor a dunce? I think the dialogue with you is over for an obvious reason.
This is the argument Iāve heard here most often. Itās so trivial that itās not even worth mentioning.
If you think Iām afraid of psychopaths, youāre very wrong about me. Being cautious doesnāt mean being timid. However, this is empty talk, Iām not interested in it.
If you were cautious, you would not have used a noob ship. A kill is a kill. And since Eve is mostly a game of statistics, that is all that counts for some. Or just the giggles. All valid reasons.
Except it may be your misconception that there has to be a reason this has happened. It has not. It was monday and someone felt like it. You gave opportunity. You could have avoided to give opportunity. You can avoid next time to give opportunity.
No need to start lenghty forum threads for morality after a ship loss. A discussion of game mechanics to resolve this would have been an acceptable thing, but with your first post you directly jumped into morality instead of mechanics.
A noob will not have expensive implants. So the problem will not arise. And if you are an experienced player with expensive implants you would know which ships to use to survive and not sit in a corvette.
Finally while it is possible that a noob flies with a corvette to Jita and gets shot, then something was learned and not much lost. A noob ship replaces without cost. And it even is only a low fraction of noobs who would even end up in this situation as most starter systems are not near Jita, but close to other trade hubs.
So in the end you are no noob anymore, but chose to do something without thinking and you got bitten. Then you started thinking afterwards and came to the wrong conclusions to justify your rant by citing possibily affected noobs as an excuse to ask for a mechanics change of the whole game.
Except noobs are not affected and the fault has been with you. The noobs even learn it in the tutorial how to lose a corvette and how to replace it. I told you already above that you might need to do the tutorial to learn of the ways of the noobs. In this regard i suppose they have an advantage over your knowledge of the game.
Losing the noob ship wasnāt important to me. I just wanted to scout the area. By the way, I found the med bay. I forgot where it was because I havenāt played for a long time. So, itās very naive of you to think that I was upset about losing a ship that wasnāt worth anything. Iāll add that my altās pod was also killed. So, there was a real danger of losing the implants.You again advise me not to start a topic about morality. Refrain from giving advice to people whose goals you do not know. I have several goals. First, I really believe that this game is immoral, and I am interested in knowing why. Second, I am answering in English, although it is not my native language. This way I practice, since I may need it in the future. Thirdly, I am studying your community because I am curious to find out your intellectual level. And also your moral level, as you may have noticed. But I am already tired of this topic, because I really have not met interesting interlocutors. I think I will not answer anymore, or only to messages that really interest me.
Right, thanks for nothing. My fault for wasting my lifetime in this thread. I was not worthy to take part in this discussion above my intellectual level. Sorry again!
Emphasis on Player Community & Interaction:
In essence, CCP Games built EVE Online to be a unique, player-driven MMO experience where the actions of individuals and groups have lasting consequences within a single, shared virtual universe
The developers are inconsistent. They should have added that the game encourages conflicts between players that arise on the basis of betrayal. And they should have allowed insults, since this is inevitable against the background of betrayal. For some reason, some immoral actions are prohibited, while others, no less serious, are allowed. Thatās all I wanted to know about this game.
I stopped feeling sorry for you a long time ago. Guess Iām not moral. I donāt care about your game anymore than you care about anyone elseās. I guess we are both immoral.
Is this merry-go-round, pointless, circular discussion still going on?
Why?