So you think that good and bad are relative concepts? That it is impossible to establish objective truth? No need to refer to the EULA. Those who wrote it did not correlate it with moral standards. If you come to a country where cannibalism is legal, will you also adhere to it?
Absolutely. Some were even executed for it. For example, cheating at poker. Cheating at a thimble-rig on the street.
False equivalency. Eve Online is a game.. Let me repeat that for those in the back of the room. Eve Online is a game.
When I am playing a tabletop rpg game. The character choices, world view, and philosophy are not mine. Currently i am in two different tabletop games. One is a cleric that is a healer. The other is a dwarf fighter. That was sent to spy on a human city as part of his backstory.
I can separate a fantasy character from own RL. Whether it is a video game or a tabletop RPG. I wish you could as well, As then we could be having a far different conversation.
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Thatās not a video game, poker is also gambling which is codified into laws.
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I donāt care about fantasy characters and RPGs. Thatās not what Iām talking about. You can actually harm another person in the game. Both moral and material. If you can prove that you canāt harm another person in the game, Iāll take my words back.
Even if you canāt cause material damage to another person by acting dishonestly in a video game, which is not the case in EVE, there is also such a thing as moral damage. You can cause them moral suffering.
SMH Only if you allow it to harm you. In Eve you are going to run into scammers. And you might just get scammed anyways. The only harm to another player is being a little ISK and maybe a ship or two poorer. That is it. Nothing else. Eve Is a game where right makes right. A hyper-capitalist system where we all play a damn near eternal characters.
Also by your own logic. What I play as character in and tabletop RPG you could make the same argument. Though you would be just as wrong.
A person can buy game currency for real money. Moreover, do it in the official game store. If you deceived him, then to some extent you caused him material damage.
So itās very important that you play by the rules, not exploiting or bypassing the game mechanics. I need a rule that clearly states that such actions are allowed in the game. That CCP takes full responsibility.
Good luck with that..
It is not exploiting or by passing game mechanics. When it is A. It is not a bannable offense, and B. Is actually part of the game and is an acceptable playstyle.
But you can check the EULA all on your own.
Welcome to Eve Online. Sometimes known Spaceships and spreadsheets. When undocked you have consented to PVP. Where might makes right and is a hyper-capitalist simulator.
If you can not get behind that. I might suggest that you should ask yourself why you are here. And why are you playing this game. I am not telling not to play, but to ask yourself why play a game that is all that I have stated above. Yet you have a problem with its philosophy of how the game is played.
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Firstly, I am not playing the game now, but I am on the forum. It is not a fact that I will play it. Secondly, I think it is important to ask the questions that I ask here before making a decision. Thirdly, I think this game is one of the best on this topic, despite its shortcomings. Therefore, I would like to play it.
Well you need to care for RPGs. EVE is an RPG.
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I am going to assume you meant Jita.
I think your main issue is framing. You did not lose a ship . . . you tricked another supposedly older and wiser player into expending a Thrasher for your small corvette which you can replace for free. Well done, you.
No, Eve is not safe but you were the smarter person flying a ship you can replace for free and lost very little except perhaps time.
I honestly do not see where the problem is and the rest of this thread is the usual forum folks dragging all the most common arguments in so they can have their weekly āoh yeah? well yer stupid head tooā
Concord does not guard, it avenges.
when you mentioned morality? Yeah that may be a thing for you and how you play but others are not bound by your code of ethics.
welcome to eve.
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- Mike Azariah
Iāll post this qoute in the qoute section..
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Well alrighty then.. You have fun with your moral dilemma then.. Just remember when the players that Lydra warned you about show up. They are not going to be kind or considerate. Take her advice and leave.
This game is not going to be a good fit. Your premise of having a moral dilemma with what happens in this game. It is going get old and others are going to tire of your constant nonsense of this moral dilemma.
I am done. And Mike I think I have been more than patient and have not even alluded to him to being a stupid head. I have tried to understand where he is coming from. I have, I believe, engaged in a meaningful dialog with him.
But at this point he has made his case and i simply do not see why he has this problem. Other than he does. So I am going to take it off my watch list and let go at that.
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You didnāt quite understand what I was writing about. I have a character with billions worth of implants in his head. I take my alt to find the medbay because I canāt undock my main even in the pod. I go out as an alt on a noob ship and he gets killed. Just like that, without any benefit. Should I undocking my main character after this? See how careful I am. Thatās why Iāve only lost two minor ships in Jita so far. Remember, I signed up in 2011. For reference, I undocking on a pod and replaced my implants. And Iāll be taught caution here. Do I like the situation in the game, in general? No, I donāt like this situation.
Excellent, you decided not to think about the problems I raised, but to resort to rudeness. Indeed, why object with arguments when you can call the interlocutor a dunce? I think the dialogue with you is over for an obvious reason.
This is the argument Iāve heard here most often. Itās so trivial that itās not even worth mentioning.
If you think Iām afraid of psychopaths, youāre very wrong about me. Being cautious doesnāt mean being timid. However, this is empty talk, Iām not interested in it.