The fight for Not Red Don't Shoot (NRDS) Providence region continues!

[Wadiest_Yong]

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

Its sad what happened to -7- but when you have people starting wars at Eve-Events by calling people’s girlfriends fat/stupid what do you expect.

Did they really ? How did that go ?

Out with it, we all love good stories

p.s. There’s no denying that Provi bloc had its share of the usual Shakespearian dramas, and the longer the history the more people one can find with some negative feelings, teeth to gnash or axes to grind. The sand gets everywhere if you stay in the box long enough However, how that reflects on the play style of NRDS is not clear.

[Excoecaria_Agallocha]

@Lydia_Solaris

Maybe if your “Alliance bigwigs” hadn’t acted so quickly in blocking an entire 600 strong alliance for the mistake of one of it’s members when he killed someone from a Providence based corp OUTSIDE of Providence, then you could have had some help! The whiney little girl went running to the big chiefs and whined that he was killed but failed to mention that he wasn’t in Providence at the time! The alliance were ready to move down to Providence too… but no, just one member messed it all up.

No idea who/what/when, but I am not surprised. The KOS system certainly lacked transparency. Why is a particular entity red? Not something it recorded, so I’d have to find someone who was around at the time.

@Lydia_Solaris

I could see the point if it was in the Providence region but it wasn’t. So it’s your loss! NRDS is for Providence ONLY! not the rest of the Eve universe!!

Not entirely true, CVA did hold a few systems in Catch ( I lived in BR-N97 for a long while ) and it was as NRDS as it could be.

If you were in CVA, NRDS restricted you everywhere, though entities could be added to the KOS list for violations anywhere on a case by case basis. Eg, you couldn’t sit in Amarr and say the empress sucked, or fly around with a Bio saying you were a pirate.

@Ramona_McCandless

Still no sign of where to apply for this new order of null sec…

Maybe all the disjoint NRDS aspirants will just shoot each other and the problem solves itself.

@Wadiest_Yong

Out with it, we all love good stories

It was a epic disaster. Within a fortnight KBP7-G was in red hands. The station fell but the owner still let Providence dock, but for jacked up fees. I think they said in the first month they made 50 billion in docking fees as blues rushed to get all their junk out. No idea how -7- got the station back, but it was red for ages.

Just showed how blues were milking NRDS, they were fine with paying 30 million to dock a freighter for reds, but whined if they were made to pay saying NRDS should mean station access and services is free.

[Caldranna]

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

NRDS itself remains, just don’t confuse it with the claimed space or whatever other means that NRDS players and neutrals lost access to.

So where’s your KOS server? Who administers the list? What rules governs its membership? What force, other than faith, exists to promote/enforce at anything of value?

If you don’t find brining Civilization to law-less regions of space valuable, then you’ve completely missed the point of NRDS. KOS checker at this point isn’t relevant, although the old one can still be used to identify possible threats.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

Don’t buy into propaganda of the disgruntled ex-NRDS guys either!

Blue corps with known reds alts. Blues screwing over other blues and claming it was all part of NRDS. Market shenanigans on a daily basis. When people in APOC were caught re-listing in the CVA market, APOC put up their own market module right next door to staging, diluting the market cohesion. A whole region of Alt-Blue corps dodging SRP taxes. A whopping 90 billion spent on lottery tickets to get into the alliance tournament, while people are complaining about corporate office rents of 25 million ISK per month for a citadel they didn’t pay a single cent for.

Its not propaganda, its outright corruption.

It’s a game.
Personally, I’d much rather still have all the allies around, no matter their past or future mistakes.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

If you don’t know the rules you take the hit. Simple.

People were told not to do things, ejected from the alliance, only to be accepted into another blue alliance just to repeat the same dumb mistakes.

It’s just a game.
I was removed from a Sov holding alliance myself.
Oh wait, you were in Sanctury Pact. That’s the alliance I was kicked from, along with the Charybdis Vortex corporation who took me in. For appalling kill/death ratio on the killboard.
You’re still salty and I’m still happily shooting reds in Providence

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

No thank you, I preferred NRDS (and still do) which allowed me to play more casually.

Casual membership is part of the problem and why fleet membership dwindled to the point where FC’s and Line Members were exhausted. There should have been a system of PAP links so all those who were just there to leech could be identified and thrown out.

It’s just a game. People play to have fun.
A good deal of NRDS players are leeches. That’s a known fact. In every Civilization there are civilians.
Besides, NRDS isn’t about holding space. Sov is just a side effect. A perk. Space can be gained and lost.
If your end-game is about things CCP wants you to do, then you’re lost and bound to get frustrated.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

I was a part of such an allliance. We were allowed to take the space, we placed an outpost even, we failed to defend the space. CVA wouldn’t help us because we showed literary no will nor presence to defend it. I think exactly every member (excluding me obviously) hated CVA for it since.

Whoever held that system should never have allowed your organisation to deploy it to start with. There were so many structures that allowed reds to dock it was sickening, there’s even a youtube of a guy using a citadel to shoot at a CVA fleet because the owner messed up the access list.

Should have this, shouldn’t have that…
Space belonged to my alliance and so did the outpost.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

Acting civilized and allowing others to take part in it is our end game. Wealth, space, pride and regognition are merely a result of our play-style.

Without some kind of authority and ability to enforce it, its all just a wet dream.

How acting civilized is a wet dream?
You’re still missing the point of NRDS. I don’t give a dime about the sov.
Providence is infested with reds, I go fight the pestilence.
Conditions have changed but NRDS is lots of fun in its current state as well.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

The role play aspect of CVA is utter garbage, the only reason CCP gave EQ his baloney title is because the actual RP leader of CCP got thrown out of the alliance and set KOS for pissing EQ off.

CVA got the titles for over 14 years of service deservedly so. I dare anyone to do better.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

It adds the depth to the game itself and it’s history.

Even building supers is not what NRDS end-game is about, though.

That wasn’t meant to be a heartwarming story, it was meant to illustrate how a political decision was made to show favouritism to a group that was entirely self serving to the detriment of the region. Holding sov is about owning and building supers. If you can’t hold sov and defend your borders, NRDS is just words on a bit of paper.

NRDS is not about claiming space or holding it at all costs. Space can be claimed if there is a sufficient number of players and the will to take it. Space is also easy to lose and fair-weather friends are very common in EVE.
If it’s space and wealth you want for yourself, then there are plenty of groups who can offer you that.
If it’s a Civilized environment you want to enjoy with other like-minded players, then you must know that 90% of EVE will be coming time after time specifically after your group, to kill what you’ve created and to relish all the salt that you produce.
Thus even if Provibloc had all the supercarriers you speak about, those 90% would crush it with the titans and make you believe that the failure was in not using the titans.

NRDS is not about space or wealth. It’s about flying with like-minded players who have the will to remain civilized despite all the internal or external obstacles.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

I dislike In-game Browser being gone as well. Although it wasn’t that bad. I personally liked to quickly alt-tab to check the neutral status on the KOS-checker and then to the killboard to find out what I could expect if there was an engagement.

The KOS overlay was much better and did RBL checks way before the ‘offical’ checker implemented them. I am so glad I do not have to put up with that absolutely awful piece of garbage that CVA refused to invest into, despite how important it was to implementing NRDS at the coal face.

I’m glad you’re free from using it. I find that “garbage” very useful.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

I was shot down by CVA many times myself.

That wouldn’t have happened if you’d joined CVA. So many people did not join CVA because there was no additional benefit, people could rat, mine, reprocess and build without obligation, in some places for zero cost

I did not join CVA because I did not meet their required kill / death ratio and because of the constant flow of accusations of brining content to Providence. It did not turn me salty though
However, CVA allowed all neutral pilots in their space, regardless of their actual contribution. That’s what Civilization is about. Marking people red for being a civilian would not work in NRDS favor.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

People forgot what NRDS is all about and decided to blame each other. Each had their followers, many good players quit the game altogether because of it, some are on the verge of doing it because they are losing hope, and some others joined other groups in EVE.

It was a giant circle-jerk and anyone who denies it was part of the circle. For many people the loss of Providence was the end of their game, though for many it wasn’t much of a gameplay.

While looking for new friends and working towards having some of my good old friends rejoin the fight for NRDS in Providence, I’m glad that all the bored people you talk about got freed from their predicament. Especially if it was self-imposed.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

So you can either keep pointing fingers at people or join us in Providence, we will continue to do our thing there regardless of your choice.

Not going anywhere near that until CCP fix some of their broken game mechanics like TZ tanked structures and implement Observatory citadels like they promised years ago.

Again, mechanics are subject to change, as CCP has shown. NRDS principles remain the same.
If you focus on the end-game CCP wants you to play and combine it with NRDS, you’ll end up in despair when the turnout of events is disastrous.
If you follow the NRDS at its core, the game is still fun to play and retains its meaning.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

As if metagaming has not been part of the game…

There’s metagaming and downright cheating. CCP announced the ore rebalance with less than a fortnight’s warning, if the Station changeover to Faction Fortizars was treated the same way a bunch of them wouldn’t have been pushed over by PL/NC.

If I have to, I’ll go fight in a rooke ship and my actions will still have impact. Yes, I did that before.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

Every other 0.0 alliance can offer you perks. Though there’s nothing unique about them.

Its not the perks you have to watch for, its the lies.

Be especially watchful for anti-NRDS propaganda guys. Many people hate NRDS and will do everything to sell you their lies about it.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

However CVA, -7-, Apocalypse Now., Care Factor and many other guys did awesome job ensuring Amarrian Civilization in Providence for more than a decade. For that I salute all of them o7.

APOC, CF, TSOE, AFK, YF, ARX were worse than reds. TSOE just sat in TXJ pretending they weren’t just building supers. CF, AFK, YF and ARX were traitors that went red. APOC is a bunch of fail industrialists that constantly underperformed in CTA participation. Its sad what happened to -7- but when you have people starting wars at Eve-Events by calling people’s girlfriends fat/stupid what do you expect.

Following the NRDS rules is often hard enough, as you often have to get rid of guys you and your corpmates like, yet whose trigger happy nature prevents them from following the rules.
Imposing additional requirements on players that don’t have the drive to meet them will surely make them lose motivation or even make them turn hostile. I made such mistakes before while being the acting-CEO of an NBSI corporation which is far easier then running an NRDS one.
NRDS is not about treating your friends as slaves in order to prevent yourself from saltiness after an inevitable defeat when you’re fighting 90% of pvp oriented EVE.
It’s about brining Civilization to lawless regions of space with like minded players, which is something that no other group in EVE has the resolve to do.

@Excoecaria_Agallocha

@Caldranna

Oh and yes, NRDS is still in force because we are the force behind NRDS.

Don’t buy into anti-NRDS propaganda.
Join the fight and spread the word!

Yeah? How many supers do you have?

I have a super-NRDS drive. Good luck fighting that!

[Xuxe_Xu]

There are no lies more damaging than lying to yourself, no propaganda more damaging than believing your own to justify betraying yourself.

“Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien

I think you are both right in many ways.

[Tequila_Mix]

What precisely do you propose? Dudes hop into their thoraxes and rush happily killing bad guys’ keepstars on their own? What do you mean by ‘join the fight?’ Where? When? Along with whom? Is their any alliance gathering freedom fighters for the course?

[Caldranna]

Keepstars? If we get enough thoraxes then why not.
But yes. That’s exactly what I have in mind.
You go to Providence and you shoot everything that shoots you. You don’t shoot guys who don’t shoot you.
If misfires happen they can be resolved, just don’t fly anything you can’t afford to replace.

There are currently no NRDS alliances actively operating in Providence.
You can always send me a mail or try to start a conversation in-game, though.

And we are not freedom fighters. W bring Amarr Civilization to lawless regions of space.

[Ramona_McCandless]

Yeah basically set it up for her because she cant be bothered.

Yawn
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[Archbishop_Abraxas]

How did EQ kill NRDS?

[Gergoran_Moussou]

By treating allies badly over the years until one day, nobody else wanted to work with CVA.

[Archbishop_Abraxas]

How EQ treat allies badly? How were things different when it was Hardin/Aralis vs. EQ? Tell the story.

[Wadiest_Yong]

If you spills them we will eats them, promised !

[Caldranna]

There simply is no point in forming a one man NRDS alliance.

[Ramona_McCandless]

And thats why you are here begging folk to do it for you.

[Gergoran_Moussou]

Great. Then start recruiting and attempt to invade Providence. I’m sure that most of Rekking Crew would appreciate being given something to do.

[Wadiest_Yong]

Well, isn’t that just too bad for the poor lads and lasses of TRC & Co. Nothing to do ? Should have left Provi what it always was, a hunting ground for the bored and unimaginative.

[Caldranna]

Yes folk! I’m begging you. Stop wasting your time on mindlessly killing NPCs or asteroids and give yourselves an excuse to come and get blowned up istead, while having fun doing it!

T1 frigates and destroyers are lots of fun to fly and really affordable.

[Wadiest_Yong]

Provi now has a positive export balance according to the latest MER

[Tequila_Mix]

• somehow I suspect that you can’t kill a keepstar with ANY number of thoraxes even if by some strange twist of fate the keepstar’s owners decide not to show up with their supers to defend it;
• if a good number of ‘NRDS’ dudes go to Providence looking for someone to shoot them, Providence will become an amazing magnet for shooting activity. It’s great thing for the content (imho), but not exactly what you’re looking for;
• Seems like you have an idea that when you shoot a bad (NBSI) guy, he/she will say ‘oh, sorry, I won’t do it again’ and change his/her bad habits (though, personally, they are not bad for this game :));
• if you want to have what you declare, you need to conquer the sov, make structures free to dock, and incentivize alliance members interested in role playing to shoot bad guys, who shoot neutrals… Utopia

[Caldranna]

Please enlighten me? What are we looking for?

When I shoot pirates I don’t expect anything of them. Their tears are nice though.

We already have what we want. We shoot pirates and terroists. We don’t shoot neutrals.

Better check your facts next time.

[Gergoran_Moussou]

I am proud of the work that I have done to keep Providence and the surrounding regions secure from pirates such as Snuffed Out and their occasional allies the Curatores Veritatis Alliance.