Simple answer: Immortality.
Firstly, you need to want to waste time and resources on hunting an immortal.
Secondly, you need to want to waste time and resources on someone that will never learn.
Thirdly, it requires that you don’t have anything better to do.
@Kristov_Bellechek@Colinde_s we should organize a hunt against @Xuxe_Xu for failing to use purple (or even red) beams instead of green, and only three beams instead of eight. Very disappointing for a Dark Lady of the Sith
I expected… darker…
(I have the greatest respect for Lucas. He’s absolutely brilliant, I agree with almost all his ideas, and he’s a forums MVP for sure. There’s no "but"s or "however"s to that statement. I regret that he does not accept this to having been executed as an operahouse performance from the start, intentionally grandiose and melodramatic, for added entertainment value. I will not attempt to convince him otherwise.)
I thought to myself “Maybe Komi has communication issues?” - she kept digging herself a deeper hole whenever she answered the questions we asked questions on her thread, so I thought maybe an interview + collaboratively polished summary would give he a fair second-chance opportunity to provide substantive answers to the questions we’ve raised time and time again, and to disqualify the hunt criteria. (The poor communication is why the interview itself wasn’t published, only the summary.)
This was the best player driven content I’ve seen in I don’t know how long!
Anticlimactic as it was, I thought this thd brought up good questions and at least gave some attention to the game and the CSM.
Harassment. How far is to far? Will this repeat itself for every CSM election now? With the lack of any interaction from CCP or the ISD here, I have to agree this is how CCP see’s this situation.
RP. How does a CSM candidate who wants to run in “character” communicate ooc or should there even be a need for it?
I actually did read Komi’s thd and thought not a bad angle at first. Then the hater’s chimed in, the hard questions started etc. and I didn’t pay any more attn till this thd started. Then I had to go back and reread everything and thought about the ooc part.
That’s when I decided to jump onboard. I was hoping for a bigger pig pile, but meh. Komi knew from the start that this was probably not going to go well on a RP platform. I saw a great chance to get some PR for the game at Komi’s expense (Sry, you were the who fell on your sword, not me lol) which backfired! I had no idea how CCP might react as far as harassment, but if these guys were going to put themselves in the line of fire for something like this, so was I. So I chipped in. I have the isk, it’s a good PR stunt, so why not? Considering that usually no more than 200 players are on the forums, (source, the ISD) I thought it had a pretty good turnout. Toward the end, I did start to feel bad for the guy, but fortunately it worked in his favor. I didn’t think for a minute that my laughing at the situation and offering a way out would have any affect and get brushed aside. Turns out the evil forum readers aren’t so bad after all! Go figure…
I want to thank Archer and Komi for being such good sports in all of this. This was a lot of fun for me!
As for for the CSM, were stuck with them so we might as well get as much as we can from them.
As usual, you are fair and level-headed, and your assumption is not unreasonable. Obviously my opinion has been that there are a great many concerns about this CSM candidate, but those concerns alone were not why the thread was started. That WOULD be stupid.
Komi declared herself to be mortal, and hunting-to-permadeath an aspiring high-profile RPer is quite appetizing for any reason, or none whatsoever. This served as grounds to start the bounty which, in addition to being totally EVE in spirit, drew attention to Komi’s lack of qualifications and more importantly the need to take CSM seriously and balance RP/OOC on CSM. The need for increased RP/Lore advocacy in CSM also came up in ensuring discussion. It would not be difficult to compile a “Best of The Hunt” quotes collection of non-Komi points raised.
I’m going to create a new thread on just this topic in the near future. I’ll link it here when completed.
Yes we can, we add mass to our ships using an afterburner.
We have reps.
Make him not immortal. CONCORD acknowledges that capsuleers are demigods and accepts the moralities that come with it.
There are prey, and predators. The prey are the mortals, and the hunters are the capsuleers. There’s always a balance, just like triglavians hunt on capsuleers, we are hunted as well. We are even hunted by other capsuleers! This all ends in a balance/
Yes it is. You are immortal, all humans are mortal, therefore, you are not human. Human morality does not apply to you and if you bother to learn the morality of mere mortals go ahead, but for us, death means nothing and hate, anger, and screams mean nothing, because we simply has seen too much of to bother.
Yes, indeed, but then, a tiger’s life its more valuable than a human’s for the same reason, but no one thinks so when they murder tigers for humans’ sakes. How valuable a life is never matters, because it all just depends on who you are. And never forget, you are one of us, and killing mortals for the fun of it is your privilege.
Because it’s less interesting. Killing someone who is applying for CSM and promises to be mortal (and doesn’t shoot back) is one thing, just killing another player just like you and me is another. It’s the morality of capsuleers: we kill for the fun, if it’s difficult and not fun and dangerous then “NOPE”.
I admit, I liked “Knight in Rusty Armour” more than I care to admit.
Improvements for next time: Keep it all RP/IC!
Komi knows that while the bounty may be done with and void, the trophy of a noteworthy mortal’s corpse is still a fine enough prize for some to continue the hunt by their own means… Be careful out there Kombear!
I can only speak for myself, but I’m pretty sure all of the Hunters would not go back on their word in this matter.
Unfortunately, I fear it may be too late. I waited 2 yrs to catch a friend who had run away from a battle all the while telling us on TS that he was on his way. We were both on TS as well when I finally caught him.
Some people might never give up if they feel they have reason enough… Fly safe Komi!
You forget that CONCORD is controlled by the empires, and no empire want to risk their capsuleers being lost. And the capsuleer based (player) empires would revolt if CONCORD, decided to tamper with already established laws and agreements, on capsuleers in such a manner. And if any of the old empires decided to not comply with CONCORDs changes, they would have a massive advantage.
I concur, that capsuleers are elite posthuman, but we where still born as human.
Yeah, but mortal humans aren’t an existential threat. On the contrary, they are a massive engine for economics. Especially for newer capsuleers. But also for veterans. Sansha always needs a beating. So does most of the “pirate factions”. Sure, you can align in what ever direction you want. Applies to the Triglavians as well.
But the point is, mortals are useful to us. Despite them being almost “invisible” to most capsuleers.
I concur, again, that we are a post-human “race”. But we still have lived the mortal life. And immortality does not necessarily equal that the morals and ethics of our origins become meaningless. For some, sure, but not all.
Well… no? Tigers and humans are equally mortal. They both only have one life to live.
And no. I cant ever forget I’m a capsuleer. I’m immortal. But that still doesn’t mean, I see that my statue means, I have the privilege to disregard mortal life as worthless. I can choose to take that position, but I don’t.
Maybe, it’s because I still remember the mortal days of my life. I still remember the sacrifices I had to make, to become a capsuleer.
And I know, my experience of reality is just as real and complex as any human being.
Our brains, our thoughts, our senses, are still human in nature. Flawed and fragile as they may be.
Remember, our immortality grows from our mortal past.
By all means, you can decide to ignore that our immortality has its roots in mortality. Makes no difference to me. I just see it as being an ignorant position to take. But Meh. For each his own.
I actually think that this thread shows that, for the most part, controversial topics can be discussed passionately without too much intervention from the forum moderators. Of course, the community tacked back and forth in regards to civility, as well as staying on target, but I thought that in the whole, the issue was an example of self moderation by the majority of the participants. It greatly helped that the original poster kept a level head and steered the discussion when it seemed to veer off course.
Now if we can stop the few crew members frequently running up to the helm of a thread and yanking the wheel violently to the port or starboard, which seems to quickly escalate into a tug of war which usually runs the issue aground, then perhaps more robust discussions will be given free rein by the authorities. Hard, but fair and simple questions from the most critical posters seem to actually help any thread keep on course, while any one or two sentence insults seems to trigger at least a half dozen escalating snarky communications.
…and it wouldn’t hurt CCP to have their official community relations team to post one or two simple statements early in any thread that appears to be passionately discussed to clarify where the company stands with an issue AND then let the discussion flow freely afterwards. More direct communication from CCP helps reduce the need for moderation by the ISDs…for the most part.
You DO understand that at least Scoot’s and I are going to chip in at least 5 bil apiece bounty on you when you run for CSM next year! (I’ll match Scoot’s to 10) You still get all my votes, but I wanted you to understand the evil you unleased on the game!
After reading all I could find on harassment, it turns out CCP would do nothing unless Komi complained. Something I don’t think she would ever do, nor you since you started it! (that being said, see below)
It was a fun thd, but I’m glad it was “anticlimactic”. I feared it would start a harassment nightmare for CCP. Just the rumor of a group putting a bounty on a CSM (candidate would have been rumored into a member) out of the in-game bounty sys would be seen by players as a green light to start all sorts of real harassment in the game to me. I’ve played this game long enough to know ANY exploit in the game WILL be exploited to it’s full extent by the player base in any way, shape, manor or form. Myself included. CCP saying nothing in the thd would just be seen as more proof of no wrong doing on the part of the hunters. This is where the Dev’s missed a good PR stunt to me. They could have chimed in, in some way and made their feelings known. Even an ISD or CSM response/guess at what CCP thought of it all, could have could have helped turn this into a mega thread? But without some clarification from CCP? I trust them as far as I can toss my truck. You never know when they will step in, or how…
You insult me with your paltry sum! Away with you and your peasantry! Be gone! (But be sure to vote for me before I banish you to the slums of Hek, tho.)
I don’t know man… Scoots all-but-accused me of being a nullsec krabber in a different thread (I’ve never farmed PVE, not even pre-nerf ECs or Abyssals) - you’d think with rumors like that floating around everyone would be after me and my Nyx… y’ know, the one I don’t own. I don’t PVE in a Thanny-Than-Than either, or any other cap. Sorry to break it to you!
I will say this much, though: if someone starts a bounty thread for me, I’ll probably chip in. Maybe I’ll sell standings to L4/L5 Locator agents and use this as a business opportunity since I’m the Co-Head of the United Standings Improvement Agency [USIA] and can make bank off the hunt. Someone did already start an “Archer Sucks” thread a while back… unfortunately it got shut down before the jokes started rolling in, but not before @Lucas_Kell was kind enough to put a jockstrap over my head. (OP asked “Can someone put a muzzle on him” and Lucas posted a photoshopped image of my avatar but ISD took it down… such a shame… really touched my heart. Lucas’ legacy lives on, however, as he created a website where you can put a jockstrap on anyone’s head! https://cdn.lucaskell.co.uk/hatme/)