I provided evidence Orcas mine roughly the same as a barebones proc, it’s not much, and especially in HS. I can provide a video if you are really interested, or you can come out mining with me. (if you even play)
Move on dude. this is a was of dev time. I’m hoping for some exciting new content, not nerfs.
what’s the issue here? an orca pilot, so what.
Orcas being used as mining ships rather than support and command ships. The guys even afk.
Thats why CCP are changing them.
Mining Foremans have to make isk too. There’s nothing wrong with that. Combat pilots mine too.
Not only did they make isk before, but this is not an excuse to promote bad gameplay.
by that logic, any ship that added a mining laser is promoting bad gameplay. Keep in mind, orca pilots rarely get paid to boost.
move on dude, pick a career you enjoy in eve, have fun.
If that ship becomes more used than actual mining ships then it is.
You keep saying ‘move on’ but CCP have already said they are changing the orca to better suit its role as a command ship.
Its upto Orca pilots to negotiate their pay. They got paid before the changes so if they aren’t now its no ones fault but their own.
They are free to deny that 40% cycle time boost (and all the other boosts, logi, and hauling service) if they aren’t getting paid.
The issue with these fits and saying the Orca out mines a Procurer is that you are sacrificing yield for other fittings. The biggest issue being the use of T2 drones on the Orca and T1 lasers on the Procurer.
If you swap out your T2 drones for T1 drones, you drop to 76% of that yield, so about 12.7 m3/sec.
If you swap out your T2 drones for T1 drones, you drop to 76% of that yield, so about 12.7 m3/sec.
I know, the point was to prove the Orca is not an OP mining ship. LOL No miner would choose an orca over a mining barge, unless they simply did not have the skill. I provided evidence to show the Orca mines roughly (or even less) then a barebones proc, even using T2 drones.
This just means pilots that select the Mining Foreman career path will have to skill into another skill path just to make isk. Which to me, which is reverting back to the old problem they fixed in 2016. Seems silly.
Here is the link to the 2016 buff.
Mining Foreman Pillar #3: Contribute with powerful mining drones
The third pillar is the biggest change from the existing mining foreman gameplay, and the #1 request we’ve been hearing from the community on this topic over the past few years. All mining foreman ships should have their own mining ability to allow them to contribute directly to the results of their mining operation, and give them productive gameplay in between their other tasks.
We decided early on that mining drones would be a better fit than mining lasers for achieving this pillar, as these mining foreman ships would already have plenty of other things competing for highslot space.
To aid with this pillar, we are fleshing out the mining drone skills and progression in November. More details about those mining drone changes can be found later in this blog.
There were complaints before that the Mining Foreman could not isk before the 2016 update.
Yeah no where does it say they want Orcas to mine enough that people prefer to use Orcas instead of actual mining barges.
Is a lie. The quote doesn’t say that at all. It talks about productive gameplay between tasks.
Nor are people asking for the drones to be completely removed.
So now we have to go back. because some uninformed ganker cried about the orca yield.
No one, except the Mining Foreman, who chose to skill into a Mining Foreman and not a Mining career path.
Keep the up the crying Daichi, I’m sure a lot more players will leave when their ship gets nerfed.
Well exactly. So if we nerf the Orcas yield the foreman can still do foreman stuff, and the people who want to mine can do mining stuff with a mining ship.
Crazy concept i know.
So are we adding a mechanic to ensure the foreman gets paid? LOL it never happens. Again they are separate career paths. So according to your proposal, you will have to skill for both career paths, and make investments in mining ships and orca, just to be a mining foreman. Really smart!
If you really want to, go for it. But that isn’t necessary at all.
Orca pilots were getting paid before and they’d still be getting paid after.
I don’t know how the idea that mining volume is the issue got started but that is plainly false and really moot.
The issue is the ability to AFK mine.
Right, i’m aware. And my point was, don’t ruin this professions ability to earn isk by removing their ability to mine.
There are AFK activities all throughout EVE, BPO research is AFK, manufacturing is AFK, Trading is AKF, Carrier ratting is sometimes AFK, hauling is AKF. - just keep nerfing? Nerfing pushes players to leave.
And my second point, orca pilots do not make that much mining anyways, roughly what a proc ship makes (not much).
This type of change would not affect me personally, I do not use orca mining drones. I do worry about nerfing in general as it tends to push players away.
It’s not a behaviour that needs corrected. The only people upset about so many orcas being used are low skill gankers with too few friends. That is precisely why people use the orca over a barge. Survivability.
Perhaps if you engaged pvpers instead of miners, miners wouldn’t feel the need to upship you.
I see non-miners whine about afk mining like it’s a real thing. At best, it’s semi-afk. You can do exactly the same thing on a barge. There’s nothing wrong with watching YouTube or whatever while you mine. Solo, an orca miner is making around 10m an hour. Rocks are too small to fully afk, and drones are too slow to rake in cash hand over fist.
At the end of the day, the only difference between a barge miner and an orca miner is survivability against gankers, and not having to warp away every 20 minutes.
I agree 100%.
Keep in mind, if orca has no ability to mine - even if you charged 10% to the fleet, it will take a fleet of 10 miners to make an equal amount. And it assumes there is a mechanic to collect. And who wants to risk a 1.3 bill asset for little or no isk…
