It’s not about the people, maybe you would have better luck if you kept your comments on the topic.
“Master.”
Keep killing yourselves ccp. This is the kind of player you’re catering to that’s leading to your business decline but considering you people tend to agree it just goes to show you all don’t even play the game.
Hell, sometimes I wonder if CCP employees are on here doing the same thing on an “alt”.
Yet, that bird isn’t the top of the food chain. It’s so weak that we have to go out of our ways to ensure their species survives.
I say move all mining out of High sec.
Also I find it strange that people see something wrong with AFK mining (not saying its a good thing) but have no problem with industry. Industry is done without undocking, you start what ever you are making and logout. Maybe have players actually out in space having to place things in order to build things. 
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Scordite goes for 15 ISK per unit. Bistot goes for 2500 ISK per unit. You chose your circumstance I chose mine. I need an Orca. My fleet would pull about 800 million ISK per hour if were mining Bistot in hi sec. But then the supply of Bistot would be much higher and it would not go for 2500 ISK per unit.
My response was to someone implying that I don’t need an Orca because I should have fleet defenses, logi and scouts. You need all those things, I don’t. I need to move millions of m3 in a day. You don’t.
Why do these simply issues get conflated here beyond all recognition?
No we haven’t.
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I was responding to someone calling me names rather than discussing the issues.
I don’t need luck. Luck is for suckers.
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How are people mining now? Just with Orcas? What is the proper mix of Orcas to barges for you? Check out the number of buy/sell transactions for barges vs. Orcas.
Do you really think more Orcas are mining than barges?
Would you all bring some proof of your “there are more Orcas mining than barges” assertions.
Should a player moving up through the mining ships be stopped and forced to buy 3 or 4 barges before you allow the player to acquire an Orca? Should the player have to get your permission? Or put in for a hardship waiver to the “we” committee?
I’m taking screen shots and will be posting them after the weekend. Let’s see who can build a more convincing case.
Why, you ask? Because all the reasons that have been put forth are intellectually bankrupt. Despite an apparent bone tossed by CCP to nerf the Orca, reason and fact will play but a small part.
There surrender was the cessation of the false narrative and the sun shining in.
Agreed! Once again, we have achieved COMMUNITY CONSENSUS.
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I’m a community verified subject matter expert and confirm the veracity of the claim. As a SME my testimony is accepted by the court as ‘evidence’. Of course, I could screenshot an Orca pod, but you could just look in the ice belt.
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No please, I like to mine on my days off and when I do I don’t wish to be disturbed. Like how on the weekend I was mining inside Uedama- a quiet place where you never worry about fighting over who owns the Asteroid!
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It’s in this thread ^^^^
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The Proper mix of Orcas to barges is:
Solo player mining = barge/exhumer
Multiple players mining = barges/exhumers + one mining support ship
Many multiple players mining (10+) = barges/exhumers + two mining support ships
I think Orcas should be there to boost the mining effectiveness of barges and exhumers and that those barges and exhumers do most of the mining.
When a fleet consists of mainly mining support ships, something is wrong.
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I have two accounts, I never went 2 x Orca’s and I have two of them. I always went Skiff/Hulk + Orca. Hulk was only used in an empty system and I switched to Skiff if anyone else was in local. The Porpoise is too weak and easy to gank.
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Same, I too use mining booster + mining ship when I mine. I used Procurer + Porpoise myself in null when I mined, Hulk + Porpoise when it was relatively safe and I wanted high yield or Endurance + Porpoise if I was mining in a relatively often visited system - cloaky mining ships are pretty good. 
Orca would be worth it if I had more mining ships to support (bigger ore hold) but with usually only one barge the Porpoise can easily hold the ore. As it was in null sec the gank efficiency of the Orca versus the Porpoise was not a factor for me, and the much higher price tag and slower movement speed of the Orca meant the Porpoise was a better choice for me at that time.
These choices of which support ship and which mining ship to use in a certain mining fleet are interesting. It becomes a lot less interesting when the support ship itself does all the mining work.
It’s funny. People say the orca is not good at solo mining and they certainly, honestly, don’t use it for that.
Yet when other people suggest to nerf their mining capability to then buff their support role those same people are vehemently against it.
I wonder why that is…
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I wanted to buff the mining yield of Orca’s and still do. My issue is only related to the ability to AFK ice mine. A small ice bay or having to re-set the drones after each cycle will do that.
I think the issue only applies to ice mining in hisec.
So the problem of the Orca is caused by the fact that there are large rocks in high sec?
I feel like even if we remove all the large rocks in high sec the problem with the Orca still exists, because we never know when CCP adds more sites/anomalies/moons/whatever with large rocks. The Orca itself needs some changes, not the rocks.
(Maybe the rocks too, but we’ll see what happens at the end of scarcity.)