The only large rocks in hisec are ice, remove that issue solved.
Problem would be solved for as long as there are no large rocks in high sec. That doesnāt sound like a good permanent solution to me, as it would make the balance of the Orca dependent on the ore distribution in high sec.
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That would be fine for the Orca IMO.
This dependency is not needed if we adjust the Orca itself, which would be a better solution in my opinion.
But I guess we disagree on that. 
So, a couple of observations from my ice mining this morning.
Agal at 0920 had in the field:
1 x Orca
2 x Porpoise
8 x Procurer
5 x Skiff
1 x Covetor
So hardly an abundance of Orcas.
Deninard at 1120 had:
6 x Orca
4 x Procurer
14 x Skiff
1 x Covetor
So, more Orcas, but there at least three were with fleets, so at best three, maybe fewer, solo mining. Doubt any were profitably AFK given the speed at which the exhumers were chewing ice.
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There is nothing wrong with that mix of ships and players, I refer you to the systems I detailed previously in the thread. And this post
Actually, the only meaningful large rocks in HS are moon mining rocks, and that is the only time I think there is ever any true AFK mining - ice asteroids are large, but attacked by swarms of exhumers and last not very long at all. I had an Alpha in a Venture picking up scraps from a moon field, and even then the Orcas were reacting quickly to the depletion of asteroids, so clearly not truly AFK, just low actions per minute.
Again I refer to the ice systems I have detailed previously, what you observe in two systems has no relation to what happens elsewhere. But the issue with moon rocks is obviously part of it.
If you can apply drones to a rock and leave it sitting there at zero for an hour until it depletes that means it is AFK play.
I find it incredible that you are ignoring that picture on the post I linked above.
But that is the point, surely? Yes, only two systems, but I think you are referring to the three systems around Halaima? Still only three. The point is that the myth of AFK Orca bears no relation to the facts, and that even if it happens in two or three systems, that is hardly a valid reason to destroy a perfectly good, well balanced ship. That would be like nerfing Catalysts and Tornadoes because of their use in Uedaema, Sivala and Ohide.
If the player is sat at the keyboard, it is, by definition, not AFK.
Catalysts and Tornados are not being used AFK, deflection duly noted.
Sorry, you are the one deflecting. AFK means away from keyboard. If the player is sat there, they are not AFK by definition. Low actions per minute does not equate to AFK. What are the actions per minute of, say, a Slasher sat occasionally scanning at the Sivala gate? Pretty low, I should warrant.
The Slasher example is ludicrous as they are scanning for targets which requires reaction and action, whereas you lock something apply drones and leave it with the Orca on an ice roid. If this is your level of understanding and what you are comparing you should give up now, you are embarrassing yourself. Further idiotic deflection duly noted.
But I have flown past many a scanning ship in a potentially juicy target (if they do no not scan, they do not know whether there is any juice aboard) and not been scanned. Do I sit here throwing out accusations against AFK Slashers? Where you and others are embarrassing yourselves is that you assert, without any knowledge founded on empirical fact, that Orcas are AFK, when plenty of people who fly Orcas have told you, time and again, that it just is not practical or profitable. It does not happen on ice belts nowadays, and even on the very niche area of HS 0.5 moon mining, it is high risk and probably happens less than you think.
Thank you for agreeing on this point at least.
Meaningless comparison.
Notice the lack of screen shot.
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Hardly. If a scanner sits on Sivala gate all day, possibly active, possibly AFK, it has a chilling effect on freight movements; pilots have to assume that the scanner is active when deciding whether or not to jump in to Uedaema. Similarly, if known gankers are logged in in a system, even if not active, it has an impact. I am not complaining about that, just observing that even ganking has an AFK dimension. Active mining by Orcas, by contrast, rarely does, despite all the desperate and ignorant claims to the contrary.
There were too many ships to get into one screen shot. Are you trying to call me a liar? Pathetic.
Toodle pip for now, life beckonsā¦
Meaningless comparison, sorry.
Screen shot of Orcaās linked in a post above.
Enjoy your life.
The plural of Orca is Orcas. Learn to use apostrophes correctly before claiming intellectual superiority.
One screen shot is not proof there is a systemic problem. You yourself stated that the examples I observed this morning were āacceptableā mixes of craft; I am sure the pilots flying them would have been pleased to know that they received your approval for diversity and inclusion!
I am not claiming intellectual superiority, I am saying your slasher example is meaningless, another deflection duly noted with your gramma comment.
I have pointed out that the two systems you have looked at are not the three systems I detailed, what more do you want?