The Orca

[Dracvlad]

Another deflection.

@WindRider9

You seem to always miss the point. Lots of professions are afk, hauling, research, manufacturing, invention, the list goes on and on. The bottom line as long as there is so much disagreement on this point, a large portion of the server will be unhappy with any change. At the risk of losing more players, I recommend maybe drop and move on.

“The list goes on”, please continue, another meaningless comment, if you have a list do the full list instead of pretend there are other items.

Only one item in your list is an in space activity, where you are in a ship to do that activity and it has constraints as in you stop 15 km from the gate and slow burn to the gate. You make yourself a very easy kill doing that.

You miss the point because you just want to continue AFK ice mining, there should be no resource gathering of any kind that is done AFK, CCP removed passive moon mining.

AFK resource gathering is a no no, next thing you will be supporting bots, see I can deflect like you!

[Mr_Maxim]

It’s really simple:

If a play style or ship advocates afking or botting it needs nerfing. We need LESS bots/zombies and LESS unbridled wealth&asset accumulation. It’s been going on for way too many years and finally CCP is doing something about it. That also means that in order to try and fix the years of problems they have to put on the emergency brakes.

The Orca is the afk miner of choice in high sec, it just is. That means it needs nerfing of its mining capability, IN FAVOUR of its support/boost capabilities. People who use the orca in fleets, thus mostly for its boosting, would LOVE that. The only people would not want that are the ones… who use the ship as an afk miner and, ironically, it’s those same people who say it’s not used for afk mining.

If you say you don’t use it for afk mining, why would you care if it would changed to be less good at that…

[Dracvlad]

It depends on the change, some people have suggested a small ice bay which would do the job quite well without punishing players who play properly. So many nerfs hit real active players too, for example I used to VNI rat with two characters at the same time in the same site, I used an oversized AB and never AFK ratted but it was the preferred ship of botters and it got nerfed to a point that it was unusable.

CCP has to be intelligent when doing this.

[Koyaan_i_Squatchi]

I’ve come to the “consensus” that:

1. All players opposed to the Orca and want it nerfed don’t fly Orcas.

2. All players that are in favor of Orcas and want it buffed or left alone DO fly Orcas.

Simple as that - CCP should listen to the players who buy and fly Orcas, not to those who don’t buy them. These players that fly Orcas are the ones making $$ for CCP.

[Mr_Maxim]

The people who use the orca for its support and boosting options are completely fine with the mining bit being nerfed.

[Koyaan_i_Squatchi]

BS to that premise - show proof when making statements like that.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

Compared to the massive generalization you made above?

Just lol, your credibility = 0.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Mr_Maxim

The people who use the orca for its support and boosting options are completely fine with the mining bit being nerfed.

This is because if you don’t AFK the Orca is subpar, only AFKers like Orca for mining.

[Mr_Maxim]

People suggest a lot of things, mostly things that support their greedy ways while others just troll to create drama. Let CCP sort it out and let’s not waste energy on yet another ■■■■ thread full of poo slinging.

The ship was created as a support ship, it’s now being used a lot as a solo afk mining ship. Nerf or even remove its mining options/bonuses, buff its support role. Now it’s even better in its intended role while the king of afk mining is no more.

How exactly is up to CCP, no point in people making baseless assumptions until it’s on Sisi.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Arumi_Liz

Kid, in a real flight simulator I’d work you up so bad you’d never want to play again. Eve online is not that kind of action game. It’s a MUD with a nice gui.

*Swoons* Oh how pixel macho of you…

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Koyaan_i_Squatchi

These players that fly Orcas are the ones making $$ for CCP.

Actually, it’s the people killing Orcas who make $$ for CCP.

[Vortigern_Vitalis]

@Salt_Foambreaker

This is because if you don’t AFK the Orca is subpar, only AFKers like Orca for mining.

Sorry, I like the Orca for mining and I do not AFK. So, your statement is wrong.

[Dracvlad]

You make assumptions on what people want and their reasons for doing it. You think I am trolling perhaps, some people here are, but I have real reasons for saying what I am saying because I own two Orcas.

I have two accounts, so I use one Orca and one exhumer, I like that the Orca can mine with drones, I appreciate that ability, the fleet bonus adds to my exhumer yield. All in all my Orca with mining boost applied just to the exhumer and not its drones beats two exhumers for yield, but barely.

People want interesting ships to fly, ships that offer differences and benefits, the benefit is the decent tank and no need to go back to the station every so often. The Porpoise does the same but its tank is just really poor.

You want the Orca to be a fleet and emphasis on fleet mining booster. Which is fair enough. I want it to boost and mine with drones for two accounts working together, which for me is fair.

I do not want to see it used as an AFK ice mining beast, ice is the issue because the roids are really big and last for a long time. Most ore in hisec are small roids that get depleted quickly. Moon mining I don’t know now, but they were like ice, and this is something that needs to stop.

CCP would be better of doing the following:

Make all roids really small, make ice belts spawn all over the place in small amounts and then the Orca would not really be an issue with ice. CCP will ruin ships that actually have a decent role and are interesting to play, I like the Orca as is, but what I don’t like is that it enables AFK play. Sort that out and it would be perfect.

Am I being greedy? No, I don’t think so and I am definitely not trolling anyone in this. AFK play in any resource gathering is bad for the game period. I think the Orca is a good ship and pretty much spot on apart from this ability it offers for being AFK with very large roids. Perhaps another way would be a small processing bay where the ore and ice is stored for pre-storage and needs player intervention to put it the ore hold.

I think those who suggested small bays approached this better than I did with re-assignment of drones but the issue is large roids and if CCP made all roids small including ice and moon mining ones then it would be far far better, and the ship does not really get damaged for what it is currently used for at what seems like a correct level at least to me.

[Mr_Maxim]

@Dracvlad

You want the Orca to be a fleet and emphasis on fleet mining booster.

What I want or rather what CCP wants is to remove afk play styles and right now the Orca oozes afk mining play style, whether you use it for that or not. My personal opinion is that mining should be completely removed from the orca but my opinion doesn’t matter, outing my opinion doesn’t do anything. All that matters is what CCP decides to do, when they do it.

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Koyaan_i_Squatchi

• All players opposed to the Orca and want it nerfed don’t fly Orcas.
• All players that are in favor of Orcas and want it buffed or left alone DO fly Orcas.

Ha ha,

@Ranar_Linyne

I’m not an orca miner, in fact i very seldom mine at all.

[Hans_Devin]

You said its above…in a 900 post thread. Riiight…

I’m bringing pictures.

[Hans_Devin]

@Salt_Foambreaker

This is because if you don’t AFK the Orca is subpar, only AFKers like Orca for mining.

Is this serious? Trolling? Wishful? I’ve done +1B isk and +5 milliom m3 in the last four days and today ain’t over. Don’t spit your apple juice on the screen.

[Hans_Devin]

This looks nothing like all the anti Orca we people talking about. I can fill an Orca in leas than an hour with four support ships. My fifth toon is in WH space, but coming home soon.

Wait what was the crashing sound? Hear that?

The false narratives are running off the road.

[Hans_Devin]

Come on we people share below…I’ll check back in an hour or so.

[Daichi_Yamato]

You’ve been in the thread a while. You should have read from the start when you joined. Then you’d see a link to my own screen shots.