At least the orca pilot is paying a sub, the ganking catalyst pilot is probably not. If any nerfs should made its to alpha accounts ability to destroy those who do pay ccp wages
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Alphas arenât completely restricted from any content. They can participate in any content at a reduced level, and itâs the same for ganking. They have less firepower than omegas and cannot multi-box.
Alphas are here to create content so, if any are ganking, they are actually doing something right.
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Oh god, here we go again.
It will not hurt you to admit your fleet is composed by four mining ships being supported by an Orca. Why you want to put as if is the other way around?
If that is your typical setup then you have nothing to worry about in the upcoming changes. The Orca will be even better in this role and the mining ships will get some love too. The only reason to be worried is if you are using the Orca alone.
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Lonely Orca is best Orca imo.
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Great. So in your specific case, which doesnât mean anything other than your specific case, why should you care if CCP want to remove mining from the Orca?
CCP have access to far more data than the screenshots of an individual player; and surely if their high level view is to remove mining and return it to mainly a boosting ship, that should create more opportunity for you? Should be a good thing.
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If anybody here trusted ccpâs judgment about what changes should be made and how this thread wouldnât exist. Their high level view told them adding pi, gas, and goo reactions to t1 and faction subs was a good idea. It told them to flat remove belts from null. It told them to nerf ships instead of fixing the anoms. They thought breaking drone behavior was a good idea, again instead of fixing anoms. It told them to run an in game pop up plex ads ffs. See where Iâm going? Given half the chance ccp would â â â â up a wet dream.
Could changes to mining vessels be interesting? Sure, but I suspect it will be a standard nerf/buff cycle.
Theyâre gonna do what they always do and the first iteration is usually hot garbage.
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Based on overall sentiment here, reddit, a few discords, etc., it feels like trust in CCPâs judgement is at an all time low. However, itâs especially the case at the moment to expect the worst from CCP, and they have indicated an intention to at least tone down the Orcaâs mining capabilities, which going back to @Hans_Devin, should at worst be an indifferent change for his play; and at best, a positive change.
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Dude, I mine almost every day, never ice, or an orca. Most miners know an orca is not good yield. And as for your afk point. Itâs just dumb. LOL My mining lasers are afk fool. It takes as little effort to set my drones vs setting my laser. And it takes the same amount of time to mine a rock respective of yield.
Stop making me laugh 
I own you all day on this topic fool.
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The difference is on your barge/exhumer the ore goes to your main hold, if you donât move the ore every few minutes, depending on ship, the hold fills and mining stops.
On the Orca the ore goes directly to the massive ore hold, you can go afk 30-45 minutes or more!
At the root the problem has nothing to do with drones or lasers, it has to do with this ore routing.
Before they do this, before they did scarcity and redistrbution and asteriod nerfs, they should have just made the ore on the Orca go to a smaller hold.
All of this was for nothing.
I agree with that and said it in my last post in this thread.
Not at all, other people say this too:
This is another player saying this.
This is obviously based on my first suggestion of re-assigning the drones, those other ships are not an issue because their ore holds are so much smaller, the biggest ore hold is 8% of the Orcaâs ore hold. And you are calling me a fool and dumb, lol
I have since come to the conclusion that the ore hold is the best way to deal with it as many have suggested.
LOL, you just owned yourself. 
You know that was to address the damage rorqs caused right? Orcas have never been a piece of that puzzle.
Yep, sure was.
Is 100% required if the orca is still intended to be the depository for the mining fleet. Having the ore drop to regular cargo and need to be manually moved⌠that might be acceptable. Decreasing the ore hold ensures less âlegitâ utilization of the hull. That would be bad.
Mining Support Ships that cannot mine are like Fire Support Ships that cannot shoot.
THAT SAID
Just make it a mobile mini station. That would be fun.
Oh wait. CCP doesnt like fun.
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An additional Hulk or Skiff account.
No need to be an oracle to predict that its mining ability with drones will be removed at all. But miracles can happen and nothing like this will be nerfed.
Personally I like the current Orca status and I donât think that the ship is a kind of a super mining tool. Currently itâs a super tool for slowly solo mining, while you are watching Netflix or something like that. It has its player base or âauditoryâ in EVE, you know.
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Itâs because people are envious. Instead of flying the ship themselves theyâd rather attack the players. Itâs literally the reason why eve numbers remain low. Because no one wants to waste time and effort to acquire something just so it can be changed. Anyone who complains about it being too good is typically a liar because theyâd be using it too. Instead theyâre flying different ships all day long (if they even play the game), and I imagine sometimes a nerve strikes with someone who works with the company and plays the game so then they use their weight to get changes made that donât need to be changed if only because they were upset one time.
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People already use it as a mobile mini station. Itâs why its dps and mining capabilities is important. The hull itself breaks the billion isk mark and then when people are using it like that theyâre typically a pianta of billions worth of isk. They should at least be able to fight back considering they house ships. Should be able to mine and if not then its ship bay needs to be increased so that exhumers and barges can fit in without taking more than half the bay. I could put several cruisers in one but only one mining barge which makes it where the varying amount of combat ships I can take with me gets reduced. It needs to be able to apply dps because itâs retarded game play to be moving a few ships around and then get jumped and be able to do nothing to protect yourself. People who think ships ought to be like serfs with different abilities is whatâs ruining eve and itâs sad because the orca is in a good spot.
I know, I do too. But I want more options. I dont care if it has a mining module OR another kind of module that gives it a different function. Yeah take the T3 Cruiser idea and make it on an Orca, to make it interesting.
Thats one of the several ways Orcas already fight back.
You dont need it to fit the exuhmers AND the combat ships at the same time. You switch between them.
Thereâs plenty of things you can do. The Orca is a very flexible ship
Totally agree. I just would like the option to make it even more flexible than it is already
If youâre jumping around in an orca, youâll more than likely have your swiss army knife set of ships on you and if youâre forced to bring a mining barge that means your set of ships diminish to compensate for the fact that more than half your hold now has a mining barge in it. You do need to be able to house both if they kill the mining on the orca because if youâre making 10+jumps youâll want to make only one trip just to save the time.
If you are flying it solo, then why would you be switching to a combat ship?
The point is to have them for your fleet, not for yourself.
If I carry a swiss army grab bag in my hold, Im not likely to be switching to Skiff while my Orca is still in space. Thats just asking to lose it.
How does someone force you to do this?
Because when I want to mine I dock up and unload all the cargo and ships in the orca and then go mine. If they nerf mining Iâm now forced to reduce the number of ships I carry by half if only to fit something that can mine. Because mining lasers donât cut it. Itâs either orca or strip miners. I do more than just mining and I need ships that can run missions, do exploration, pvp, abyssals, and whatever else Iâll be doing in the systems I would be staying at. While the orca can pve itâs horribly inefficient and itâs mining is okay. So the need to have a few pvp ships, and ships to do other activities with that are below battleships is a must. If they nerf the dps, thatâs retarded because now it canât even defend itself despite typically being a multi-billion pianta, and if they nerf the mining on the orca then a barge will be necessary because if I need ore I donât want to spend 20 minutes waiting for the amount I need.