No mining ship in Eve is ever going to be ‘properly balanced’ until CCP does something with mining so it can be done(and rewarded for doing) in an active fashion. Otherwise it’s always going to be a ‘what ship wins the cost/risk analysis for afk mining.’ They don’t have to entirely remove the afk possibility, but should reward active gameplay more.
Project discovery allows that for miners.
Good joke.
Actually you don’t have to worry, I think the option of having the drones drop the ore or ice in a smaller bay solves the issue in a much neater way. Like you and others I think the Orca is fine as it is, if anything it needs a buff in its mining yield, but the ability to mine AFK for an extended period needs to be nerfed IMO of course.
Why be silly, I proposed two ways to deal with it, others came up with a better solution.
You are the one coming up with banalities, you should ask yourself that question.
I don’t know, CCP don’t often say much until they drop it on you and your favourite ship gets nerfed. I was dreading the nerf hammer on the Trig ships for example.
Only the Orca, as the largest Ore bay is the Skiff at 15k, the Orca is 180k.
Totally agree, it can be ganked, but it has to be worth doing.
I would agree with that too.
I think the Orca is fine as is, just this AFK ability needs looking at, but again that is my opinion. I think CCP are4 going to nerf it hard because they have a habit of doing that.
Actually I think the yield of its drones should be increased too.
My questions about how you are using it seem too advanced for you.
Ive been using an Orca for quite some time and have no issues with it.
You dont seem to be as happy with yours.
Which word?
You’re the one who literally belittled what I said by saying weak things like “How does an orca mine better than an exhumer?” when you missed the entire point. I said it was too advanced for you because it’s clear you only use your orca for one or two purposes and can’t see past that value. It’s why you were full of questions in such a manner to show you don’t have the same experiences I do with the hull. I get it, you stay in a system or two and never move short of going to market.
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What? I asked a question to find out something I may not have known?
Why are you taking that as a personal attack?
Is it because you cant answer the question?
Look you obviously only want to read what you feel like arguing about, so unless you are wanting a grown-up discussion like an adult, please be quiet.
I treat people like how they treat me. Take a long look in the mirror because your post is full of projections. Why should I even bother answering someone who can’t understand the simple post I made? It’d be like talking to a wall, nothing would get through. You may not realize it, but there are players who purposefully take on actions to nerf things in this game who post about it in a relentless manner only to create the appearance of popular support. My point is a valid one but you can’t see it because it’s clear you don’t use the orca the same way I do.
You make assumptions and then run with that is what you do.
Anyway, can you give me a way to make an Orca outmine an Mining Barge or cant you?
The fact that I dont use an Orca to mine if I actually want minerals is apparently beside your point that I allegedly use it for one thing.
So are you saying that you are one of these people because you dont want the Orca nerfed? Or is your point something else? You arent being very clear. The only point you have made thats been clear is that you like the Orca and dont want it nerfed, which I agreed with.
Why you have decided to argue about this, I have no clue.
You are saying that you use it for multiple things, I say I use it for multiple things, so what is it that we are not agreeing on? Apart from it being a better mining platform than a dedicated barge, which I still would like, in good faith, you to explain to me please.
I never claimed the orca outmines the mining barge. Your whole post from the beginning has been an attack and that’s why I don’t care to engage you in a respectable manner because you simply don’t deserve it.
Heres the thing you didnt say;
Whatever you say, troll.
If you actually want to discuss something, dont lie, dont turn it into an attack, and dont play the victim.
You can have the last word if you like, Im finished with you now.
Wouldn’t be the case as you’re still tractoring ore, providing logi and keeping barges in range of boosts.
And you don’t even need to remove the mining bonus. Just reduce it.
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Or… they could leave the mining bonus alone and have the drones drop to cargo instead of ore. Doesn’t break anything, and yet addresses the afk claims.
It doesn’t because it can still afk for 90k m3. And afk isn’t the only problem.
Where as yield addresses all problems neatly and elegantly.
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CCP has already stated that they are adding an ice and gas bay. To me this implies that ice and gas will no longer fit into the ore bay. If this is the case, the Orca will be less effective in boosting fleets mining both ice and gas. One option is to add more Orca like ships with specialized bays. Another is to take the massive 187.5k m3 bay and slice it into 3 bays, maybe 15k/15k/15k and add compression to the Orca in the form of a non-auto repeat high slot module. I havent looked at all compression rates, especially since some of them dont exist yet, to see how balanced the bay sizes are and what the overall capacity of the Orca would then be. But that is all balancing numbers, which CCP could do later.
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I guess even if they just left the ore bay and didnt add an ice/gas bay, and if the ore bay could not hold ice/gas, then the Orca’s AFK ice mining would be limited, since you wouldn’t be mining into the 187.5k m3 hold but the 30k m3 (depending on fit) cargo hold.
I like it if they solve the problem of AFK by making miners move ore from hold to hold, but I hope they keep in mind there are other non-mining uses for the Orca and not make a mess of the holds.
Yield, unless it is actually 0, changes nothing.
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In fact, reducing yield without removing it will make “AFK” even easier.
Are you seriously suggesting an Orca has a normal cargo hold of 90,000 m3? If so, you really have proved that you do not have any idea of what you speak…