The Permanent Green Safety Brigade

I thought it was very clever and whimsical.

And while it technically fell under one of the things ISD use to close threads, so does everything else in this forum. Your thread got locked and this one hasn’t been. There is a serious problem with selective moderation in the EVE-O GD.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

if they want to close the topic because of moderation issues ok
but my post got flagged

i sent a ticket to the moderation talking about the excess of flagging because some users here operate with a tribalist mentality and think some kind of players are “bad” , i got a response that they are aware of the problem and looking for solutions

btw i never flagged any post on my life if i remember well
i think is a childish behavior , unless is something serious

look at that

some princess wrote

If there’s no -her name- box, nobody will want to use this chart.

and got flagged
clear abuse

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Please tell me what I’m misinterpreting? That you’re backing up these two alt characters or that you regularly complain about use of alt characters?

Also, don’t assume this is about you, I just noticed your hypocritical behaviour and I would call out others as well for hypocricy when applicable.

and i say more
there is a activity button that you can look at all the forum users
you click and see the diference of the regulars , the usual suspects
that put an effort , try to be funny , or smart , or roleplay etc
to the resentful , hateful types that apear out of nowhere from time to time

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People have been weaponizing the report button since this forum opened. Nothing has been done about it.

Here’s the thing. People flagging don’t get your thread locked. ISD do. And it’s the ISD who can unflag your post if it was flagged inappropriately.

Your anger is misplaced blaming EVE players for twisting a legit mechanic to serve their own purposes. Just like they do in game. You need to be angry at the moderators that can’t be bothered to unflag things and the Devs that can’t be bothered to fix the mechanic.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

People would be much happier if they stopped backseat-modding their hypothetical thread lock and participant ban lists like some obsessed gambler grooming their virtual football bracket, and actually spent some time interacting with the other players here and posting some interesting content.

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this :+1:

they are a corporation , corporations don’t want problems , its like the government , they never do good things at the level of the individual because they pursue a fixed bureaucracy , im not mad , im sad , because i make a parallel to the people who want to subsidize their freedom in favor of a daddy state .
I guess i was a bit innocent thinking the banter here is lightly taken , like adults should do , but im seeing that there is real grudges because of a space video game , and that is so childish that i cant believe grown up people engage in it
im disappointed …

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Interacting by @ing sympathetic ISD’s to try and get me banned like you have done on more than one occasion?

Okay.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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Oh yeah? Show one example.

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Ease down.

Youre just grinding metal.

Ease down.

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So, this is interesting…

Have you guys heard of the Robbers Cave experiment? Researches randomly assigned boyscouts at a summer camp into two groups. The groups spent the first week doing activities together, which resulted in in-group formation (i.e. group cohesion, unit pride)… Then they pitted the two groups against each other in competitive activities. The two groups became extremely antagonistic towards each other, and things eventually devolved into fist fights. Experimenters asked the kids what they thought of their own group, and the other group, and found that both sets of kids positively characterized their own group, while negatively characterizing the other. Friction was eventually reduced between the two groups by having them work together towards common goals (i.e. fix a water tank or get a truck unstuck).

Ingroup versus Outgroup Perception

Of course, organizations (IRL and in-game) will intentionally try to frame in-groups as being superior in various ways (i.e. morally, culturally, inteligencily?), while framing outgroups as being inferior. But, it is effective propaganda because people are predisposed to believing it.

So, I guess what I’m trying to say with this is, obviously Mina Zealot and Fifi are some next level turds, and that the behavior of my salient in-group is beyond reproach. Also, something about the competitive nature of Eve influencing how players can perceive things and each other -especially when there is room for interpretation, such as in text communications that fail to convey tone. And, it’s very interesting to me to see people defend/dismiss/ignore the bad behavior of people they are sympathetic to, while painting the behavior of others as being totally out of line.

And no, I’m not trying to say that I, or my forum peeps, are clearly right, while you and your peeps are clearly wrong. I know that my emotions can sometimes get the better of me, and that I will sometimes stop using tact. And I know that Gix can be extremely antagonistic, and that others can become various degrees of aggressive or demeaning. So, do not interpret this as an extremely pretentious way of me trying to say that you’re wrong. I genuinely find this stuff interesting, and wanted to share. And if there is a lesson to be learned from this, it would probably be something along the lines of, “as Eve players, we’re all on the same team, and we all want Eve to survive and thrive. Thus, we should all probably be a little nicer to each other.” Or something like that. I’m not the Buddha of the Eve Forums. So, fook you, and your fedo.

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I love that Us vs Them you got there.

Brava, sir, brava.

Forum relationships aren’t structured this way, though. Here we have philosophical debates, which are absent of the moral grey area of simulated warfare between two opposing factions.

That is to say, things are much more black-and-white here, because here it’s possible to just flat-out lie about something. Saying that our CEO is fun and relatable while theirs is a moronic, oppressive jerk is opinionated tribalism, but saying something like “the game used to be much safer before! we could mine and run missions in peace without being griefed by PvP scumbags until CCP made it so much easier for them to kill innocent players!” is a fundamental untruth that ignores decades of patch note and dev blog evidence. Likewise in the case of the post you’re responding to, the evidence is never actually provided.

In-game, people will lie to themselves in order to not have to put too much thought into what they’re doing. Here, people will lie to others for the sole intention of hurting other people.

We’re definitely not all on the same team. There’s in fact a significant demographic here (and also on Steam and Reddit) that’s actually working against the interests of the game with the intention of making it fail.

Indeed. It boggles my mind that people play EVE without really knowing what EVE is.

i have a friend that mostly give negative reviews
the guy is such a son of a B that with no remorse give negative reviews on steam to games he played + 1000 hours an cost him 10 dollars , always saying that this could be better , that is unbalanced , no clue how games really work
i find it deplorable , i told him many times
the bad reviews on steam are from guys that entered because is FTP , don’t have any self determination , or creativity , so were is the content??? And the cherry on the cake is that they have no hands and get killed
So obviously EVE is pay to win and you killed me because you have the best ship and its easy

Blessed Are Those Who Stay, for They Will Git Gud

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I’m not trying to paint an oversimplified picture of what goes on on the forums. Of course, not everything that happens here can be explained by tribalism, but I think some can. I mean, tell me you haven’t seen bittervets, the PGSB, the HTFU’s, or anyone else closing ranks around their own, while trying to paint their opponents/interlocutors/whatever as being the real bad guys.

Yeah… I don’t think we have to look any farther than this thread to see that while some people try to have discussions, there are many who will sometimes (or even frequently) respond with hostility, bad faith arguments, forum sniping, and absolutely zero attempts to engage with the merits of an arguments (i.e. Mina Zealot’s response to Gerard’s attempts to have a discussion).

Where were you when I was arguing with Kezrai Charzai about this? Regardless, I am aware. But my post was long enough, and I wasn’t speaking to them. So, I didn’t feel like adding further clarification about saboteurs.

Whatever, all of you guys suck. Same with reddit. That’s why I’m starting an Eve Tumblr community. [I don’t know enough about Eve lore, so Insert your own joke about a fanfic shipping two eve characters together here].

oh the humanity!

There’s a huge difference between carebear-versus-griefer roleplayesque tribalism, and things like moderator abuse, accusations of terrible real-life crimes, coaching bigots how to get away with their bigotry, and even threats of real-life violence:

I’ve never, EVER seen anyone like Gix, Aiko, Aisha, Gerard, you, or any of the other “griefer sociopaths” engage in this sort of behavior. And I certainly have never done anything like that myself, either.

There’s a difference between being “bad guys” and “bad people.”

It’s almost like the real-life parallel of the world’s last few remaining dictators hanging out together. They’re all shitty people, and they know they’re all shitty people, but they still give each other support because they’re desperate for any that they can get because the rest of the civilized world is ostracizing them.

Sorry, but whenever that thing speaks, my mind starts playing crackly World War I music while the body scrolls past the posts and tries to be cognizant of as few words that they contain as possible.

Oh god, you’re going to summon @Archer_en_Tilavine and that…terrible thing he made that’s been trying to spend a night in my pod for years now.

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You didn’t need to go back months to find examples of your ad hominem attacks on forum posters. I could find a dozen in just the last few days. As could anyone else reading this forum.

I admire your dedication though. Must have been hours digging through old threads.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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