The Return to WIS?

[Foggy_Bernstein]

Why else would they bother with:

@CCP Patch Notes

Refactored Character shadows to make them more performant. Refactored the character animation system, and added in new idle animations which make the characters seem more lifelike.

[Ramona_McCandless]

I also wondered this, though I figured it was something the code always could do, but maybe needed 64bit client to provide?

Probably not tbh. Pass.

[Chan_aar]

Something something character creator could be used by Pearl Abyss in another game …

[xxxTRUSTxxx]

gotta make that dolly look amazing so people buy clothing for it, that nobody will ever see them wear.

[M_Cincinnatus]

I look forward to how those new shaders will perform on my eventual shiny new plate mail for capsuleers!

[Foggy_Bernstein]

@Chan_aar

Something something character creator could be used by Pearl Abyss in another game …

Have you seen their other games?

PA is miles ahead of CCP characters with their hot bodies, beautiful models, outstanding animations, and dynamic bouncing boobies. Definitely not that.

[Jade_Blackwind]

Probably no. Just imagine the shitstorm from the Spreadsheet Guard if CCP ever announces another attempt at WIS. The howling will be heard from low orbit.

[Sordina]

Some people still care how their avatar look in chat. Shadow is not only a black circle at feet of your character but also how lights look on your face.

So many time passed and people still cry about Sims in Space…
Even if they consider writing them from scratch, they not gonna do it before dx12 since this current main goal for devs.

[Foggy_Bernstein]

@Jade_Blackwind

The howling will be heard from low orbit.

From an avid forum warrior perspective, it would be a thing of beauty. It’s been a while since we had a legit forum meltdown here.

[Xuxe_Xu]

@Jade_Blackwind

Probably no. Just imagine the shitstorm from the Spreadsheet Guard if CCP ever announces another attempt at WIS. The howling will be heard from low orbit.

Perhaps…but would ccp care about that? It would be a calculated move on their part. The playerbase has changed significantly since the summer of rage time.

Does anybody really see PAccp passing over a potentially highly lucrative revenue source because of complaints?

[Yiole_Gionglao]

@Foggy_Bernstein

Why else would they bother with:

@CCP Patch Notes

Refactored Character shadows to make them more performant. Refactored the character animation system, and added in new idle animations which make the characters seem more lifelike.

This is because they plan to display massive character holograms outside of structures and thus they need those ego dolls to be up to be rendered through the space engine instead of WiS code.

[DeMichael_Crimson]

The return to WIS?

@Foggy_Bernstein

Why else would they bother with:

@CCP Patch Notes

Refactored Character shadows to make them more performant. Refactored the character animation system, and added in new idle animations which make the characters seem more lifelike.

When Captains Quarters was implemented, idle characters would swing their arms, scratch their chin, look around, look up, down and over their shoulder. Those actions were also present during Character Creation and also in the character’s full body portrait view in-game.

After the removal of Captains Quarters, I noticed some of those ‘idle’ movements were also removed, specifically ‘scratching the chin’ and ‘looking over the shoulder’.

Maybe CCP re-added those ‘idle’ movements and are advertising them as new.

[Foggy_Bernstein]

@DeMichael_Crimson

Maybe CCP re-added those ‘idle’ movements and are advertising them as new.

That’s probably the answer. Building an inflated narrative around fixing something they broke is certainly not new behavior from CCP.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@DeMichael_Crimson

Maybe CCP re-added those ‘idle’ movements and are advertising them as new.

Probably is new to the current developers

[BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING_BOINGOBBLEOI]

I think the changes were made just for the character in the character sheet, which is just your head. On the 64-bit client, however, I noticed CPU stuttering after the patch whenever I open my character sheet.

Anyway I think that’s all there is to it. Captain’s quarters is buried at the bottom of an ocean probably.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

if you read the rest of the post, it was answered.

@CCP_Darwin

Here’s some detail regarding the character systems changes in the patch notes:

For various parts of our graphics systems, we use 3rd-party middleware libraries. One of those libraries, about a year and a half ago, was blocking our move to a 64-bit client, so it had to go. As it turns out, it was software for layering and sequencing animation. Captain’s Quarters depended on it heavily, but it was also used in the character creator, and while we could (and did) remove Captain’s Quarters, the character creator is a necessary system in our game.

So, in mid-2017, leading up to the Captain’s Quarters removal, I spent some time building out our in-house animation software support to replace the bare minimum functionality necessary to keep characters idling naturally in the character creator. This change was a success in that I never heard a single player complain about the fact that characters were less lifelike, but our tiny but still active 3D character team wasn’t happy with the details that had been lost in the process.

This year, another of our 3rd party middleware providers delivered a 64-bit capable system that had a lot of the advantages of the one we’d taken out. Furthermore, we realized that with careful engineering we could use it for both characters and space objects. And, since adding support for it would require getting some experience with the new tools and updating our character animation workflows, adding some minor, more lifelike details to characters in the character creation screens was a reasonable, low-risk testbed for the technology.

So yeah; none of this is life-changing in itself. The fact that you’re not seeing much of a difference is just fine, though it might mean that we toned down the visual interest a bit too much on the way to release. But, now we have a modernized animation pipeline, some new tools that work well and enable very exciting new capabilities, and an implementation that will allow us to use it with ships and characters interchangeably.

The thing I can’t stress enough is that this kind of infrastructure work is tricky to get right, perfectly invisible when it works, and is absolutely essential to keeping Eve’s code base healthy, well-maintained, and modern.

[DeMichael_Crimson]

Sooo, I was correct when I said:

When Captains Quarters was implemented, idle characters would swing their arms, scratch their chin, look around, look up, down and over their shoulder. Those actions were also present during Character Creation and also in the character’s full body portrait view in-game.

After the removal of Captains Quarters, I noticed some of those ‘idle’ movements were also removed, specifically ‘scratching the chin’ and ‘looking over the shoulder’.

Maybe CCP re-added those ‘idle’ movements and are advertising them as new.

[JuuR_Zibaoo]

@DeMichael_Crimson

@DeMichael_Crimson

Maybe CCP re-added those ‘idle’ movements and are advertising them as new.

it is new … its 64 bits and its a new system in the background … of corse it was in game and it was gone for a time … now its back … so yes its not new … we had it befor …

looks like its old and new …

and WiS was useless … if you could walk arround in the station ok but in only 1 room? sounds not funny to me … if you could decorate the room or something like that … maybe but not really

JuuR

[CCP_Darwin]

The actual animation in these scenes is new, but we were shooting for the look and feel of what we had before.

[Phoebe_Obray]

I’d very much welcome a worthwhile WiS as an extra to what we already have.