An… internal matter? This is a standard pattern mining colony, not a pit in an untamed, uncharted world you idiot. People have access to the Galnet. Do you think this would ever stay under wraps?
Yes, so maybe that’s why the Guristas have footage to begin with…
I think the obviously rhetorical question was failing to lead you to the obvious answer, it would not, it could not, and anyone of any intellect would have known before doing it, let alone attempting to cover it up.
Guristas
Not a reporter of State today. Not a private detective. Not even a rival Mega, who would digging for that sort of info so thoroughly!
But some lousy pirates who would try to wreak havoc just to steal some stuff. Cmon, do you really think we would fall for these fakes? Whom are you trying to fool?
Well if they’re incapable of breaking open a manufactured footage made by a bored teenager and publicly releasing the evidence to put the masses to ease that they’ve been manipulated - Maybe they’re not that competent with their decision making to begin with.
It could had been a bystander in the crowd that got the footage, sold it off to the Guristas who saw an opportunity to stir ■■■■ by broadcasting it.
Of course the State media wouldn’t touch this, I don’t expect them to.
Well you can tell that to the mob of people that are up in arms about this
Are you going to make my slippers laugh? A bystander selling such sensitive information to some filthy barely-human robbers? They would sell it to rival mega first and foremost who would give them for that surely exponentially better payment than a lousy pirate could afford.
Well you know what? I have thought about starting a career in stand up comedy. But maybe I should stick to my day job for the mean time. I gotta work on my material more. The reactions in this thread however give me hope I can go somewhere with that however.
Sure
They don’t have to like them, just realize they got the means to distribute it if what they saw horrified them enough that they’re driven to get the truth out.
In my experience the Guristas pay remarkably better than the Megas
Anecdotal i know
Actually, no, they are not. The people living on Anin V would hear of the massacre, and know that Lai Dai had cracked down on it. However, they would hear of it through rumors and gossip, stuff that could, and would, have been easily dismissed by Lai Dai as being unsubstantiated rumors! That way, those living on Anin would know of the massacre, but Lai Dai and the rest of the State could save face on the galactic stage!
But Lai Dai’s plans were messed up. Somehow, the Guristas came into possession of a tape that showed the massacre unfolding, a tape that they released. Lai Dai had not planned for this, so all they could say was “We didn’t do it” but they have no proof to back up their claims! And since they don’t have proof to show the massacre didn’t happen, people believe the video! Because their eyes can see a video in which protesters are being murdered, but they don’t see a video or anything that shows that the video was a fabrication! All they hear is a statement of denial by Lai Dai, something that DOES NOT lead people to actually believe that the massacre never happened. There is physical evidence that the massacre occurred. If Lai Dai is to convince their people, and the rest of the cluster, that they DID NOT massacre their own people, they MUST show physical proof! Otherwise, it is no wonder that people do not believe Lai Dai’s claims!
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Have you even watched that footage? It shows the colony’s central transit hub, not some isolated, dead-end shaft. There is absolutely no way this would not be recorded and leaked. If anything, the fact that there is only a singular recording available is damning in and of itself.
…Proof? Are you trying to be funny or something? What do you want exactly, footage of a Gurista slouched over their computer fabricating the video in full? You can’t prove something didn’t happen you moron. What you can do is prove something happened, and that requires proof. Issue is, the sole “proof” provided is of extremely questionable validity and shows events that are completely nonsensical, all while an honorable megacorporation that has withstood the test of time for multiple centuries denies its validity and a disgusting, degenerate organization that routinely lies and has every single motive to sow unrest within the State claims it is true, and even provides live commentary as it happens. The burden of proof is on those who claim this to be true, and the provided proof is very lacking.
No, not at all. The vast majority of people see this for the nonsense that it is. There are only a handful of protesters across the State, and they are exercising their civil right at this moment, remaining non-violent. As much as the Guristas would like to believe they have plunged the State into a civil war, that simply is not true. They inconvenienced some corporate security forces and commuters at best.
No, no, there really is not. If there actually was there would be a stronger case to make as to its authenticity. There is digital evidence, and it is nothing but unreliable.
Again, can’t prove something didn’t happen, let alone with physical proof. What exactly would even constitute physical proof of an event never happening?
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I’m pretty sure you’re the one trying to be funny. The Guristas provided a video, one that people think is realistic. Your “honorable megacorporation” on the other hand, only provided a statement! Geez, I wonder what I’ll trust more - words from some paid lackey of a spokesperson reading from some statement written by some other corporate lackeys, or a video that shows the events that occurred. If the video indeed is a fabrication, Lai Dai should have no problem providing a video, or even eyewitnesses that testify to what actually happened on Anin V that day.
So what? It’s a transit hub, not a residential area. The colony is under quarantine - people are home! The only people there are the protesters, Lai Dai security, and possibly a few people who snuck out to watch, one of whom is most likely the person who recorded this. And fine, say that the hub is near a residential area. That just means that Lai Dai should be able to find a video of what actually happened in the hub and release that. And also, maybe there ARE numerous recordings out there. The other people who took the recordings might just not want to release the recording, for fear of further reprisals upon themselves and the community.
Fine, physical, digital, whatever. It is something that I can see, not just some statement given by some spokesperson. And no, it isn’t unreliable. What would be unreliable is something that looks like it was fabricated. This video does not look fabricated.
Again, maybe a video of what actually happened, or even eyewitness testimony to the same. If the massacre didn’t happen, that means that the protest went peacefully! And Lai Dai should be able to show proof of the protest being peaceful, right?
Well, indeed, the burden of proof always lays on the accuser.
Aren’t you now? Because…
A security video of empty square?
Why would they even bother?..
And as such, proof was provided
So your belief is that NO protest occurred?
Enough to make one question its authenticity from the get-go. I know you are being deliberately obtuse here and arguing in bad faith, but at the very least I can demonstrate your nonsense for other readers.
As one does when accused of falsehoods.
Seems pretty clear what you would trust. But it seems pretty clear that you are either a Gurista operative yourself or someone sharing in their chaotic ambitions. Either way, nobody cares who you would trust, because you are a nobody with a crystal clear bias.
And legitimize this nonsense and enable a new cycle of ridiculous narrative the likes of “Oh, that footage showing nothing is fake! Oh, its clear that these witnesses are being forced to obey!”? ■■■■ off, your slanderous nonsense deserves only what it got, a statement dismissing it as such.
Again, no. Solva was under quarantine, as in, the individual colony. Work proceeds as normal, all measures taken are to prevent the spread of the virus to other colonies. Also, you idiot, its not “a” transit hub, it’s specifically the central transit hub. Any traffic throughout the colony passes from there.
Or maybe, just hear me out here, this is all a lie. The case you are making is a huge stretch as is, piling maybes onto it is not doing it any favors.
It is by definition unreliable. Again, no court of law across the civilized cluster would accept that thing as evidence, and for good reason.
Indeed.
I trust what I see over what somebody says. The only way I’ll trust someone’s word over what I see is if the person was actually present at the incident. And no, I’m not a Gurista operative. Do I sympathize with them? Yes. But I couldn’t care less about their ambitions in this incident. And no, I’m not a nobody. I’m a duke from the Amarr empire, exiled only due to a family feud and petty politics.
Oh, please. All I want is some proof from Lai Dai that shows what actually happened. If it shows that the video is indeed a fabrication, great! Really, I don’t want to topple the Caldari State, I want to hold it accountable!
The courts of Dam-Vishen would accept it, as they would any piece of evidence! And since you brought up the courts, I’ll tell you this. If someone tried to make a case of libel and slander by just going up to the stand and denying an incident that is being shown on video, they would be laughed out of court, because any party trying to deny something that is clearly shown on video or has been testified to by an eyewitness, must show similar proof!
Am I? I am open to the possibility that Lai Dai is actually being framed here. I am just suspicious of their refusal to provide proof that the video was a fabrication! Again, I hope that Lai Dai is being framed! I hope that this is all a fabrication. But if not, I want Lai Dai held accountable!
i.e., a nobody. Titles of nobility alone do not bestow value upon their holders, especially disgraced exiles.
So, you want footage of everyday traffic coming and going? Is that what would honestly convince you?
For the sake of their reputation I’d like to believe that you are just ignorant.
Any evidence? Not admissible evidence? Can I take a crayon and a piece of paper and write:
WE MADE IT ALL UP WE ARE SORRY :C
-FATAL & THE GURISTAS
And expect it to be accepted?
Now I know you are talking out of your ass. That’s just… plainly untrue.
I am sorry, but if you are legitimately arguing like this without an underlying agenda, then you are truly, unquestioningly, a moron. That being said, I have a great isk doubling service that might interest you…
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There is such a thing as credibility of the proof.
If the monk will come to you with icon of God and will tell you that’s how the God looks, would you believe him? It’s obvious someone in his monastery drew it.
Same thing with that recording. I know gurista faked it, you know gurista faked it.
You can’t rely on a dishonored scum to pledge with their honor that the recording is genuine. One would need an independent witness or evidence coming from a reliable source.
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My agenda is to call out Lai Dai for their failure to show any sort of proof to counter the video released by the Guristas. I want Lai Dai to be innocent, but Lai Dai DOES NOT SEEM INNOCENT. If they are, all is well. But I am doubtful that they are, though if you can show me that they are, I will accept that.
And that would be easily disproved. There are indeed extreme cases of evidence being thrown out, usually because they are so damn stupid and easily disproved, but in order for that to happen, the other party must provide evidence to counter!
Me? Ignorant? I set up these courts! They are in MY holding! If anything, I should know best what happens in my city!
Exile, yes. Disgraced, no. I exiled myself due to irreconcilable differences between myself and my brother and a wish to keep my people safe. But fine, call me a nobody if you wish. I do not care for your insults, though I do wish that you would be civil in your arguments.
So you also believe that no protest even occurred?
If it is obvious, I would be able to prove it as such. I don’t assume, I prove. If the recording is fake, there has to be some evidence of it, but there isn’t any, so I assume the recording is true, due to lack of proof to the contrary!
Indeed, that would be best. The only problem is that Lai Dai itself is not reliable, and it is refusing to provide any of what you stated.
Provide evidence that Fatal didn’t write that. I can show you a video that is absolutely not a simulacrum of Fatal writing that note. Prove to me otherwise.
Well, I hope they are reformed real quick, then. They are very flawed if you speak the truth.
Maybe it did, maybe it did not, its hardly relevant. The fact that working conditions were being protested in a standard pattern colony, where the conditions are nigh-universally consistent and adequate does strike me as a bit suspect, but ultimately it does not matter.
Prove that the icon is fake. Provide proof that God does not look like that.