If for some reason my Tribe decided to destroy an Amarrian planet in revenge for what happened to us, I would not stand between those that were making the attempt and you.
Or would you prefer me to abandon all reason and morality and stand with them no matter what? Is unity more important than righteousness?
âPreferâ would be the wrong word. But if we were to invade them in order to stop them, then I would certainly understand it, and, to some extent, expect it.
My love for my family and my Tribe is unconditional. My defense of their actions is not.
I guess I will take pride that this fact differentiates me from the Amarr.
If my clan decided to act in complete defiance of the values, principles and strengths I hold as Gripdjur, they would expect me to do everything in my power to stop them. Theyâd promptly kill me since they donât particularly mess around when they are roused, but theyâd still expect me to do whatever I decided was right.
Nonsensical hypothetical in the first place. My clan and I are largely compatible in terms of values and principles.
It doesnât matter if itâs family, clan, tribe, foreigner or alien. If their actions are abominable, you do your damn duty as a human being and you stop them. Failing to do so only makes both you and they so much worse.
To echo Ms. Delâthul, is there anything at all that the Amarr Empire could do that would force you to withdraw your support, Mr. Avarr?
Is there anything the Amarr Empire could do that would cause SFRIM to withdraw its support?
What a blatant and groundless accusation!
Speaking about repulsive personalities, inflammatory trolling, hatespeech, isnât it exactly what I am now replying to?
Dear tribals, if you canât participate in the discussion in a way that contributes, if youâre using slanders and lies like that against speakers that bring facts you canât accept (like when I brought official Khanid position in this discussion), stop wasting my time and time of other honorable speakers whom you clearly donât belong to.
I actually agree with you, Ms. Rhiannon. Such phenomenons as âFree Kahah Armyâ shall not be deescalated, they shall be cut out and exterminated like tumors. I really hope that the Kingdom understands it as well and will cleanse them out with force instead of trying to negotiate with terrorists.
Weâre not. A âtribalâ started this conversation. So youâre wasting your time. Feel free to stop wasting it, and get out. And take your little sockpuppet with you.
Did * I * now have a sockpuppet?
Speaking about sockpuppets:
Funny, isnât it. Now, take your OWN sockpuppet and get out, or wait⌠youâre his sockpuppet?
In any way, itâs just absurd blaming others in something they donât do, especially when you do that right in front of everyoneâs eyes. I guess you have to go âfull Arrendisâ to do tricks like that.
Anyway, it was an excellent example of your kinâs inability in civilized negotiations. Thank you.
Yes. Youâll forgive me if I donât go into details in a public forum.
Potentially. The decision is not mine alone, however, so I cannot offer comment on it, or even confirm that our support would end.
Of course not. If you did, then when they do it, you might be held to the standards you claim.
Strike Commander Kim, with respect â youâre not adding anything to this conversation.
Youâre not their audience here, myself and other Amarr are. Could you allow us to have this conversation in (relative) peace?
More about the parts Iâm more sure of being rather intensely personal, and the parts that arenât very personal, Iâm not actually sure about.
Telling⌠but fair.
Yes, that is actually the part I thought was most interesting. I didnât really expect the discussion to get turned into the relative merits of Grand Admiral Zidarez vs Sa-Baron Chakaid as sources. The relative merits of the humanitarian estimates vs Zidarez would have been a far more reasonable discussion to have. Zidarezâs numbers are definitely lower than I had expected, my guess based on past news reporting was something in the lower end of the independent numbers. If Zidarezâs numbers are correct, then Khanid forces acted with remarkable restraint in a situation that makes Mabnen look like a trial run. Regardless, the wide range in independent analysis underscores the point that we did not and still do not know what is happening on the ground.
And from my perspective, the existence of surviving armed cells based on the limited covert action that occurred before UâK decided to attempt a full scale invasion strongly supports our decision to attempt to intervene to prevent the landing of an entire terrorist army on the surface. The losses from insurgency are far more likely to be civilian than they are Khanid military.
It really doesnât matter how much you try and twist and turn it. You chose to go into battle to aid and defend those who were mass-murdering millions. This is not something you can just try and vaguely deflect your way out of, bringing up hypotheticals and possibilities.
Why you lot canât just own your choice is beyond me. You made a choice and picked a side in the mass murder of millions. Itâs that simple.
âŚthen Kittens really is planning to be Shakorâs babymama.
Well, thatâs just all kinds of stupid, too. UâK wasnât attempting a âfull scale invasionâ. 1 freighter? Less than, you know, the Republic Fleet in orbit? Thatâs not an invasion, itâs an intervention. At best, an evacuation.
So good job feeling good about not letting people get the insurgents off the planet, so neither side would be killing anybody. Truly, you have done great humanitarian deeds, preventing such senseless lack of violence.
Commander Kim, I will repeat the same thing I once told a young captain who forgot his lane.
You do not come up on a conversation between the battalion commander and myself and speak without being spoken to. And nobody â â â â â â â spoke to you.
There are actual important issues being discussed, mostly rationally. This is between the Minmatar and the Amarr. No one â â â â â â â spoke to you.
And we come back to this point, again and again, I have to point out that the only effective way for you to accomplish even part of your goal is to spread out over the planet, rally support then pick everyone up in maybe 2-3 days. Maybe.
You knew from moment 0 that declaring your intentions were going to give the enemy, whomever time to prepare. Add to that already due to the loss of access to DUSTer forces you had a tiny, tiny, window to maybe even make it to the planet, let alone land where a reasonable amount of slaves to help them.
All your plan did was waste lives and allow you to say you did something. Something that made it worse, something that Iâm arguing we all could have done without. Both the people you dragged to Deathâs door in your fleet and on the Providence.
Lest my plan had it worked peoples lives would have been saved, canât say the same for yours. It was poorly thought out and executed from the get-go.
I will be the first to admit that Operation Starfall was unsuccessful. But leaving the situation in Kahah in the hands of people like you was a mistake that has cost millions in lives. Where you, Hedge Knight, kowtowed to your bloodthirsty king, there were those of us who dared to act.
And let me be clear. Without Khanid-backing proxies like you, the freighter was easily capable of surviving what the Royal Khanid Navy brought to bear.
My offer for a prisoner exchange remains on the table, but my patience wears thin when I see so clearly the corruption of the Kingdom in your words.
