Thanks for the suggestion and the link. I don’t feel like it at the moment. Maybe when the anger settles, who knows. This would still not resolve the non-sensical situation where Trigs are gate camping in front of Concord/Faction navy. There is this elephant in the room, and I’ll keep pointing my finger at it, and putting the nose of CCP in the poop they made.
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I think what CCP wants to achieve is teaching people, that nowhere in New Eden the unprepared are safe, and that unexpected loss is just part of the game. The earlier you get used to it, the cheaper is the learning curve.
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I am nearly speechless. You never went to a pod? Is that a glitch?
One simple thing would be to make their standings work like with the rest of empire factions, means you would be attacked only if below -5 standings.
But CCP doesnt treat Trigs as another empire, only a pirate faction you can align with.
Yes, its completely idiotic that they just bumble around gates in high sec attacking any new capsuleer and empires do nothing about it. Seems broken just watching it. Game is broken. 
If Edencom NPCs would actually spawn in high sec where trig wormholes are, and start fighting each other, that would have more sense than current situation. Even without making standing changes.
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Concord only deals with unsanctioned combat between players, they have never cared about NPC combat and have never protected you from them
And the navy only deals with standings related issues and customs offenses, they have never protected you from anything, the NPC’s you’re looking for are EDENCOM ships and they only float around in EC controlled systems
Right but in this case it would be person on person combat and law breaking which they would deal with like concord would, triglavians aren’t players, so trying to compare it to real life is just silly
Again, unless its EC NPC’s they don’t get shot, its an issue for players to deal with
Indeed it is, just like against players, you just have to be quick enough to click on something to warp to
Refer to above
They arne’t an empire faction they are a pirate faction, and those always attack you at 0.0, just like angels, serpentis etc
Did you read the rest of my post?
There are logic holes in this current setup. People pointed it out.
CCP doesnt even care to explain now why things happen in lore. All they seem to care about is PLEX and SKIN sales.
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Sure i did but i didn’t feel the need to respond to it
Do NPC’s spawn to protect you against belt rats? FOB spawns? no?
Then not sure why people think there is some difference in the logic, they just seem to expect there to be a difference
I know this is probably going to come as a massive shock to your system, but, lore isn’t everything, most people don’t even bother to interact with it in any real story way, so they don’t need an in-universe explanation for everything they do, and besides, they do the same thing they did during the chapter 3 invasions and murder anything not friendly to them
Sure it isnt for some peeps, but logic still applies. And good lore is characterized by soundness.
Before trigs the NPCs were confined to anomalies and missions, which was pretty easily defended by being not such a big threat as trigs are. With trigs is this thing that they literally took systems from empires, and empires stii doesnt react. By CCP doing. There should be literally battles between empire and trig NPCs in high sec, on each gate where trigs are there should be NPCs enforcements warping in, that would react on people being shot.
Current setup is just idiotic.
Add to it the Divinity Social ad and you have full cross section of the joke lore seems to be recently.
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They do react, you just don’t see it, anytime there is a Pochven WH the trigs invade the high sec side and EC invade the Pochven side, they both invade the others homes, thing is, trigs are meant to be a threat and you’re meant to either deal with them or interact with Pochven to elimante the issue by gaining standings
Again, do they do this for literally any other NPC type in belts or at gates? the navy has never been there to save your ass
Agree to disagree i guess, i like it when the NPC systems become less predictable and an actual threat that you need to interact with
To me the lore was always a joke so nothing really changed there
There are trig and edencom battles inside pochven, then why there are not everywhere where trigs happen to be in the high sec?
CCP wants to put environmental pressure selectively in high sec, with motives many times explained by players like me and others who met trigs in their jouneys thru high sec.
This is the worst thing CCP have done to the game recently, and number of people who try to ignore that by fixing their standings is an indicative where and how CCP failed.
Now its not funny anymore. Its tragic.
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Because thats just the way it works, each side invades the other, EC doesn’t defend space they don’t directly control, they are made of empire ships but not actually part of the empires, as a lore person you already know this
Indeed, they want to remind people that high sec isn’t safe, never was, never will be
Its not really any different to people who fix their standings to avoid getting shot by hostile navies and why things like the SoE mission arcs exist, a group who is positive to every empire faction to let you become friendly with all of them
But like i said, going to have to agree to disagree 
Thats not logical. Its bad lore and I dont buy that at all. EDENCOM protected all empire space. Now its gone when trigs are not. CCP should fix that.
The other issues people have with this aside.
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They only protected systems actively being invaded to prevent a total takeover of the system, the WH’s don’t enable that so EC is restricted to only defending their own systems, they don’t have any power outside of that, they aren’t there to police the whole universe against threats that aren’t actually putting the system itself at risk
The same reason empires don’t do anything about FOB’s in their space or the sleepers on gates, its not their problem its ours, so we either have to deal with it or negate it
WH is a trig invasion, like it or not, trigs are in system and roam. EDENCOM should react. You are defending a thing that doesnt have sense.
Capsuleer problems that are in high sec are empires problem. More than pirates. That was always the case and thats why CONCORD was created.
To deal with trigs EDENCOM was created, but CCP made it confined only to some systems now and lacklustre because CCP wants your MONEY.
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Sorry, but your explanation is the kind that makes no sense to me. I keep pointing the fingers at that elephant in the room and you don’t see it. You start your explanation with “I think”, and I recognize this from 1 or 2 other players on this forum who tries to sell me, and others who faced the same fate, the same explanation, in defense for CCP’s non-sensical implementation of “Trigs forced into your throath encounters” (or is it forced into the other end?).
First, there is already a statement about “only fly what you can afford to lose” in the tutorial “Career Agents”, the Advance Military, mission 5 I would believe. And the tutorial is rightfully the appropriate place for that “lesson”. This is a mission where YOU decide to accept and go on the line of fire and end up being overpowered by a group of about 10 pirates scrambling and webifying you while they tear appart your ship. I got that part, the lesson got into my brain and now I delibarately avoid initiate activities where I would be overpowered at this stage where I can’t afford loosing a ship I can’t afford buying anyway or where I could lose my hard earned implants (too late for that, I lost them). Now that I have no implants, I am willing to lose a corvette by entering my first whormhole and see what is inside. Once inside, I’ll pay attention, and try to learn from what I see. So you see, I totally have understood already, before this fatal encounter with Trigs in High Sec, to only do activities where I’ll be willing to lose my ship. The tutorial had done the job already in this regards.
Everyday when there is a Skilling Spree event, I do participate. However, for this activity where I personnaly choose to go on the line of fire, I decide to select a pirate group of the level I know I can handle (through the “Combat Anomalies” activity). When I’ll feel like it, I may as well go mine some asteroid belt in 0.8 system and below, where we can see pirates standing there. For now, I only visited such asteroid belt aboard my Moa (Cruiser, my strongest ship atm) twice, and I decided to engage the pirate roaming there and successfully killed the pirate and the 2 frigates that came in reinforcement. These were asteroid belts in 0.8 and 0.7 systems. If I was to go mine there with my Retriever (my other big investment, besides my now non-existing implants), I would swap the mining drone for light combat drones, and I think I’ll be able to handle the situation if I have to face pirates in those systems while mining in belts. So, I’m ready, prepared, for that when I feel like it. Later, I would try to travel to 0.6 and 0.7 system to take a look at the asteroid belts there. I would go there with my strongest ship, or with my future Astero (I have the ship in the hangar in Jita, I’m just waiting for Cloaking IV skill to complete, which should occure in roughly 1 week. I’m engaging in this game step by step. Some may even say I’m too fearful and I can already engage in some of the game events and activities with the ships I have atm. But I want to take extra precaution, because I’m not willing to lose 20% of my ISK in bank in losing my Retriever in 0.5 or lower systems.
I repeat : I understand, already, to only fly what I’m willing to lose on activies “I decide to participate in”. There was no need to kill me in High Sec in a random non-sensical encounter for that lesson.
Now, I will not avoid your opinion/thought that CCP might want us to understand that we should not feel safe anywhere in this game. Not just “in activities and areas I decide to participate in”. And this is where you guys fail to see the elephant in the room, every single time you repeat that non-sensical explanation. If the lesson is “You can be ganked by players at stargates” even in high sec 1.0 systems, yes, I know !!! But I also know there are consequences not just for me (dying or do my best to survive and/or escape) but there is also consequence for the player(s) who attack me : CONCORD.
—> I repeat: The Elephant in the room is CONCORD ! <----
And after the attack is over, I believe I have the right to put a bounty on the attaking player(s).
So there you have it: consequences.
For me : I’m not safe anywhere, players can gank me anytime, anywhere, even high-sec.
For the attacking player : You can engage anyone you want, anywhere you want, even in high sec. But you’ll have to face CONCORD in high sec as a consequence.
Going back to the Elephant in the room : what is the consequence for the Trigs hanging with their faction navy buddies ? None. Absolutely none. They are free to roam and kill anyone they want anywhere they want. Unrestricted. Unchained. Unchanllenged. Unconsequenced. They have the whole galaxy to themselves, and they can gank, in mob of 10 against solo players, in their battlecruiser size ship (my kill mail confirms what I saw with my eyes, there was Drekavaks in that ambush). No matter how I could fit that Badger, there was no escape. Only destruction.
My Badgers are tankish with up to 15k total HP and would most probably survive an attack from cruisers and battlecruisers size ship of player(s) in high-sec, considering the response time of CONCORD in 1.0 and 0.9 system I’m flying in atm. I’m prepared for that. I could be wrong, and when (and if) that happen against a player, I’ll know to adjust. The attack from the Trigs lasted probably somewhere around 10-15 seconds. Probably because of the neutrilisers they use, I feel I couldn’t activate the shield hardeners, and the kill mail confirms they only needed 9100 hp damage to kill me (now I know shield hardeners are useless once you are scrambled/neutralized). I have to admit I was not alert and did not activated the shield hardeners “before” exiting cloak to jump to the next gate, but that would have only bought me maybe 5-10 more seconds to watch my unarmed Badger be torn apart anyway, because TRIGS GETS A FREE PASS AND CAN KILL ANYONE, UNCHALLENGED, WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE FOR THEM.
I don’t have the opportunity to loot and salvage anything left from the wrecks of Trigs’ dead ships, because my attackers remained unchallenged. CONCORD, faction navy, and EDENCOM didn’t give a damn ****. CONCORD is apparently too busy chasing capsuleer attacking other capsuleer, they don’t have time for Trigs. Faction navy is just too busy flying around stargates to notice and do anything about Trigs: why would they call reinforcement from faction navy or from CONCORD or from ENDENCOM ? Oh, look, doughnuts !
Imagine a mob of ISIS combattants roaming in your yet normal/civilized city, in their shiny Toyota trucks equiped with gatling guns and AKs and machetes in the hands. They put a barrage on Main Street, 10 meters away from a squad of the local police. Then the ISIS mob start shooting at passers-by and at civil vehicules and do carnage while the local police eat their doughnuts watching the scene, without calling in the SWAT, the Army or whatever force available… because it is not their job to deal against heavily armed ISIS mob, they don’t have to call in those who would be able to deal with them. This is how players who try to justifies that it is not the faction navy’s job to deal with Trigs sounds like.
Please, tell me you see the elephant in the room now. Do I need to make it more clear ? Do you really feel the need to tell me this is a game of consequences, when there is none for Trigs ? Do I need to repeat, slowly ?
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They are CCP fanbois, they do that.
Fact is CCP done that to make more money of people. Bisiness decision that is going to make players into payers. Need more skills, need more ISK, buy PLEX, buy Omega etc… Go into Pochven to show in PA the content is used lol.
The only way to win EVE is to uninstall.
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Trigs are no different than ony other NPC. get attacked and CONCORD does nothing because CONCORD goes after actual players not NPC’s.
They are quite different in few things, thats why EDENCOM was created. CONCORD was to deal with capsuleer agression thats a problematic thing in high sec for empires
The threat is real, CCP made it as real as it gets with their NPC logic. It overrides CONCORD and thats what CCP wanted. To blow you up by some other hands (CCP hands), so you have to whip out your credit card or start participating more, boosting statistics etc…
It is greedy businessman logic. You are just a pawn on a chessboard. A cow that gives milk.
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Non-sensical answers. You are willingfully blind. You are the kind of guy who sees an elephant in the room, and says “Wow, everything is great, this is your perfect place little guy. Want some peanuts ?”
Read again, slowly. Then repeat what you said again, slowly. See you don’t make sense ?
If you need proof that CCP have lost their marbles, look here:
https://twitter.com/Verone3784
And find me last tweet about EVE there. There are tweets about some games, but where is EVE?
Person that was in CCP 7 years as community manager. Before that was a devoted EVE player.
CCP killed it for him all right, he had to see all that sh!et from inside. Now doesnt want to even mention it.