WIIIIINGSPAAAAAN!
I donât know if I should write âthanks for listening to usâ or âwhy didnât you listen the first time so we wouldnât have this mess?â.
Iâll go with the thank you.
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Rise is the hero of the people.
There is so many implications around this and other changes in incoming patch I donât really know where to start.
First of all, thank you for apologizing for âsounding dismissiveâ. We, wormholers, are already used to that treatment but hearing pretty words always make us feel that radiant warmth in our hearts.
Secondly, thank you for reminding us directly yet kindly, yet again, youâre able and willing to change core game mechanics to mess up with basic lifestyle of everyday wormhole capsuleer just to provide some level of comfort for one group of people. We, wormhole people, wouldnât feel as dismissed as we are without your support.
Iâd like to interject, however. You pretty much like to use statement âorginal visionâ yet you keep stray from your vision, now ever often than before. That dark, cold and uncertain areas of space, now being stripped away from aura of uncertainty because of âdesign decisionsâ. Iâd like to know, when was orginal vision when you decided to add new signatures and anomalies popping up when they spawn, all without blanket-scanning them down first? Where were all this randomness of wormholes when you decided to cut down amount of wormholes leading into nullsec systems?
Iâd like you to be consistent.
Hiding behind âdesign decisionsâ when you want, jumping straight into âorginal designâ when it fits.
When everything fails - remaining silent because questions are not comfortable to be dealt with.
I want you to treat us, wormholers, like all other players. And other players to be treat as you treat us. Consistency. Fairness.
Just because nullsec ratters are feeling a little bit uncomfortable with some wormhole connections in their system doesnât mean you have to change orginal design. Just because intie fleet can fly through bunch of bubbles and gnaw itâs way for dozen of minutes through capital ship doesnât mean you have to change your design decision. Just because some guy with ECM fitted jams fighters and forces them to dock up doesnât mean you have to change core game mechanic. And thatâs exactly the same thing with 500MN on HICs.
You tell us to adapt. Why doesnât nullsec want to adapt?
Try to be consistent. Be fair.
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This entire thing is a â â â â -show, really.
500mn hics arenât breaking anything. Thereâs no reason to fix them. The issue isnât that 500mn hics exist. the issue is that fleets exist in where a ship like a 500mn hic can work. Basically, youâre sacrificing dps, tank, and cap stability for go-fast. But if Capsuleer ingenuity is a problem for the devs, I think there are deeper problems in CCPâs management than just â500mn HICs are op and need to be fixedâ.
On the flip side, why are we caring that â â â â gets harder for wormholers? Iâm all for making wormholes more uncertain. Wormholes are supposed to be uncertain and dangerous. Tools like the rolling HICs, higgs rigs and yachts ruined that for wormholes.
And if the vision was to make habitation of wormholes limited, why the hell would you allow anchoring citadels (especially super class citadels) in wormholes? The dichotomous messages CCP sends by its management decisions shows they donât have their heads on straight.
CCP made it easy for vast wormhole empires to establish and gave us the tools to manipulate and inhabit wormholes. These empires wouldnât be so vast if everyone was still living out of towers in j-space.
tldr.
CCP messed up pandering to large WH alliances, and is continuing to do so.
Iâll miss my 500mn hics, but their usefulness out of hole rolling and large coalition fleet fights is limited to none. So itâs w/e. I welcome the idea of âsafe hole rollingâ going away. Wormhole space is supposed to be dangerous and risky.
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youâre not buying into this shite, are you?
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Ok, you can now make nullsec even more of a safe swamp with your nullification changes etc. We in WH donât care, just donât touch us.
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You spend the last three days crapping on me as I try to calm folks down and let them know what at least one CSMer is advocating internally to get this fixed, and now that CCP has agreed to do it and made the announcement, youâre saying it was all a ploy?
/sigh
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I donât see what the CSM has to do with a decision they were informed about but didnât make.
Shhh. Donât you go sticking your facts into their narrative!
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âŚbecause weâve never seen such behaviours elsewhere, have we? 
How many examples of other Pilots across New Eden, including long-standing and high-ranking elements in [dominating] Alliances and of NS could fingers point?
#notallwormholers is apt; for an entire demographic to be judged on the actions of a few bad individuals, well we could be thankful the same isnât equally applied across the entire player-baseâŚ
Slipping out of WHs to go BLOPS a heap of Rorqs in NS or whatever is as much needed as NSâ growing a pair and sieging/evicting someoneâs WH. 
Encourage the diversity, enable the sandbox #thisiseve
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OK so thats progress of a sort. Better than nothing but not really up to the level Iâd expect from CCP.
Want to change HICs⌠how often are they used in a game breaking way (catching some farmers super sayâŚ) vs say used by WH people to roll a hole? I would suggest that the VAST amount of use is WHs. So why change it at all?
Are you really still happy with utterly hammering ECM out of the game? A line of ships that will be utterly useless after CCP âfixesâ them?
Can you recognise that the source of this is a CSM dominated by 0.0 power blocks who are pushing their own interests not whats good for the game? With the exception of that one midslot everything in this unbalanced pass is just another step in making null sec safer for crabbing.
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I originally suggested in the original thread that it smelled like a stunt. you can call it a ploy. thatâs ok too.
what im currently saying is that this is a Band-Aid to cover a self inflicted wound that was not necessary in the first place. there are other ways they could resolve the lurch hic without upending numerous other methods of oversized prop fits on hics. the new module will not have been properly vetted, as is evidenced by the current lack of ANY details on its stats or limitations or Anything really. its just a promise to rush a fix to a fix for a break that didnât need to happen.
but you and arrendis, in your own individual ways are exceedingly skilled at convoluting things further, rather than looking for simple resolutions to specific problems.
which is why your posts smell of ⌠dung.
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Do we really need a new module for fixing this? Canât you just flag either hics to be unable to use 500mn mwds or flag 500mn mwds to not be fitted onto hics? Wormholers use 100mn AB for rolling hics⌠just wondering⌠please make sure the module enables frig hole rolling.
And if you make a module as such why not make it available for any cruiser⌠we only use hics because it is the only mechanic with the bubbles to get frig holes shut, weâd much rather roll with cheaper ships but nothing else fits through atm so the holes regenerate faster than itâs possible to put mass onto them.
CCP Rise - a man of integrity.
or they could make the activation of a bubble shut down the mwd cycle immediately, forcing the pilot to reactivate it, upon reactivations the bubble penalties would apply. viola, luch hic is no more.
not that it was ever THAT prominent in the first place, as some csm and others have tried to imply. these are ns struggles mostly, and ns seems to be unable to consider ramifications beyond their own segment of space. they donât mind breaking 10 ways of playing that they donât use themselves, as long as it resolves the problem they dislike the most. thatâs the theme of this entire patch.
im giving some of the supporters of this âbalanceâ a lot of deserved grief, because they are not being entirely honest in the Reasons they support the changes. there is backend stuff here that they donât wana mention or talk about. there are other ways to address the purported âproblemsâ that would Not also achieve their unmentioned goals. I would call it dishonest, but its more omissive than anything.
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Thats not what I saw. Your efforts were inflamatory, quite the opposite from calming.
Perhaps if you werenât so self-aggrandizing from the start, the community might have been more willing to co-operate.
Inflamatory comment that you madeâŚ
Self Aggranizing commentâŚ
Flip flopping from one side to another
then in reply to someone suggesting that WH citizens have representation
I could continue, but at this rate, itâs clear that youâre completely detached from reality. It would be much better if you just stopped typing, and let people simmer down.
At this point, itâd be like beating a dead and very stupid donkey⌠itâs not going to move, nor is it going to get smarter.
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This is wonderful and all but i think the important issue was the poor griffin navy. CCPls donât let the griffin navy die like this
CCP chickened out due to a minor outrage. CCP goes gutless again,
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