I mean, the only things that move around in the game are spaceships, so yes its a spaceship game
The issue is you want it to be something it isn’t by wanting them to add WiS when the game doesn’t benefit from it and doesn’t really need it, and thats a personal issues i can’t help you with
ISK that is created by tasks that require you to be, shocker, in space, yes i’m aware trading exists, however, where do you think that ISK came from in the first place? yup, space
Indeed, in space, they aren’t moving around inside a station, mainly because they don’t need to
So yeah, seeing as everything has to start out in space, in a ship, meaning, you guessed it, its a spaceship game \o/
In stations?! More like in your prison cell where you could walk three meters here and there. Whole this game mechanic was a waste of time and resources. Would be better if CCP spent these workhours and money on something really interesting and engaging. For example, on planetary blockade and assault mechanics in RTS style. This would add new dimension to combat and economical mechanics.
Proof of what, dust not being very good, i mean, did you not play it?
Most of the people playing it were capsuleer alts so not really growing the playerbase as a whole
Yes keep spouting that and maybe one day it will be true
End of the day, CCP didn’t see enough value to keep the project going, thats just a simple fact like it or not
So tell me how you start something in EVE without the things you use being generated in space or you having to travel through space, because i genuinely think you’re trolling at this point, so prove me wrong
There is nothing to be desperate about, WiS is dead, its not coming back, the issue is the people who want it back seem to be about as deluded as the average flat earther or 5G conspiracy theorist when it comes to wanting to ignore the evidence right in front of them
So i ask again, tell me what part of EVE you can do that doesn’t involve something that either comes from an activity in space or has to travel through space
Because market trading still requires things to move through space so unless you’re going to sit there and run project discovery for the entire lifetime of your character, there really isn’t anything, and even then anything you want to do with that ISK is still going to involve something that likely travelled through space
Do you see how these are two different statements? Do you? I think you are just being silly now.
PI, Missions, Project Discovery and Hypercube. None of things are either generated in space or on a ship.
2 of them dont require a ship to be involved at all.
These should be removed to avoid unnecessary resource drain on CCP.
Probably should remove skins too as they dont optimise ship stats, they just make them look pretty and have nothing to do with being in a spaceship in space.
Actually, arent you outraged that CCP wasted time on the character sheet when it should just be about the ship stats?
Actually I did play it, I got the Beta key when it was first implemented and since my nephew had the PS3 platform, I gave the account to him. It was a good FPS game.
And since you obviously didn’t play it, you’re once again just posting biased opinionated assumptions.
And you’re wrong again, the project was a success which went through Beta testing and then become an actual game. The problem with DUST 514 was being released on a platform that was being phased out.
But hey, keep spouting your BS here, maybe one day it will be true…
By the way, the new NPE has players start in their Avatar body inside a station that’s being attacked which they then jump into their pod to escape the explosion.
PI and missions both require ships in space to generate items or ISK, just like exploration, NPC bounty hunting or mining does.
Hypernet (I assume that’s what you meant) is just another form of trade in addition to the existing contracts, market, in-station trade and delivery. None of those generate wealth or items, it just redistributes the wealth and/or items between characters.
Project discovery is indeed the odd one out as an activity that generates items and ISK without connection to the EVE universe.
Yes, but they dont start in a spaceship, which was what Cypherboring said everything did. They start on a planet and in a station.
Correct, and it doesnt require you to be in a ship to use.
And again doesnt need a ship to use.
The point is that whenever anyone tries to talk about non-ship activity, he has to come in and state how much he is against the idea. His defense of this attitude and derailment of numerous threads is that it is a space ship game. Now, ignoring that it is not stated by CCP as their “MMO Spaceship Game” specifically anywhere, why does he tolerate other things that arent to do with spaceships?
Either he argues because he would like us all to agree and pressure CCP to remain true to his vision of only spaceships and nothing else, or he’s just trolling.
So if I attempt to see the world as he sees it, its going to be without the things mentioned above, and a good number of others too.
Personally, I would have liked the interconnected world of many game types it looked like we would get starting around 2010-13, but perhaps a world of only being a ship is what we deserve.
PI requires you to undock to use it so thats out, hypernet isn’t really a feature it doesn’t create anything and without ISK you’re not going to get very far with that and i already covered PI as thats not really a viable single activity in EVE so you’re going to want to do something else
2 of them are also not activities someone installs EVE for lol
Hypernet generates income for ISK as hypercubes have to come from real money purchases and project discovery doesn’t really serve a main purpose no i wouldn’t be upset if that was removed and i wouldn’t champion for it to stay but much like WiS i wasn’t also screaming for CCP to remove it, i can just see that it served no purpose and that if they wanted to remove those features i wouldn’t lose any sleep over them but nor would i be whining on the forum for them to come back
Sure if you want, i wouldn’t be outraged at those being removed either, but like i said above, i don’t champion for things to be removed but i do point out why they were removed and why they were drains
I did tell them i thought it was a pointless change yes in a couple of places, but when i realised that whining like a 12 year old about something that got removed wasn’t going to change anything i did what EVE players do, adapt and move on, i’ve been here since 2004 the number of changes i’ve disliked could fill an essay at this point, but i don’t sit here whining that nano should come back or that WTZ should be removed or that the Eos should get back its insane drone bay, because i accepted that things needed to change and moved on
Going to have to agree to disagree, it was generic and only really made much sense to EVE players, i showed it to a number of FPS players but there was no reason to play it over anything else on the market, but whatever floats your boat i guess
Thats the thing, i did play it though
Yes, hence the lack of a reason to keep it going, you know you literally proved my point? the PS3 being EoL meant it wasn’t worth keeping the project going, and as they had an exclusivity deal that means Dust had to die because they had no plans to port it to PS4, i mean, you can’t genuinely think that it makes sound business sense to keep pumping resources in to a game that has no future, or wait, do you actually think that?
I mean so far you’ve only managed to support my reasoning
Cool, and your point being that they are forced in to space pretty much immediately? thereby reinforcing that space is the focus of the game, i mean, CCP wouldn’t do that would they?
So how do you get a command center on a planet to start farming resources without undocking?
Nope, i’m not against non-ship stuff, thats the amazingly hilarious part, i’m just here to point out why WiS was a terrible idea and why it doesn’t work
Because i tolerate things that have sound ideas backing them up, WiS didn’t so i point out why it was bad, i mean i get this a complicated thing for some people here to understand
See i have an imagination, its why i’m able to imagine how pointless WiS would have been, its called looking at the bigger picture
Look, i get its hard to do, lots of people can’t do it, so for a change you’re in the majority
Because i just can’t abide by people not getting the message, WiS is NOT coming back, no matter how many times this thread gets re-posted, i get its not what you would like, but each time the thread gets brought up someone has to come and remind people why it was removed otherwise it becomes an echo chamber of people thinking CCP isn’t listening to a really cool idea when they already did it and it didn’t work out
Because you sure as hell can’t be unbiased about it
Imagining nothing but your own boring present is not imagination. That being the best you could up with kinda proves it. I doubt youve ever actually created anything with that attitude.
Well you should learn to make peace with the fact others are allowed to like things you dont and let them have their fun without pissing on it just because you dont get it.
Why should I be? Youre the one leaping into threads that are pro-it to say how anti-it you are. No one in this is claiming a lack of bias.
I remember the captain’s quarters and what you might be able to do with the addition of Walking in Stations. I was really looking forward to it as well as some of my corp mates, I wanted to open a bar in the Outer Ring and have a catchy phrase for it. Something like “Align with the Outer Ring and Dock it in the Manhole” or Lumber Yard.