Funny how he complains about people not socializing more in highsec after he and his ilk pushed for more and more isolation for their PvE for over a decade.
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This is not fault. This is genius part about eve - I don’t have to grind BOTH isk and skills. Average eve player is 34 years old, has a job, usually also family - there is not enough time to grind skills.
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You’re a lying troll. I’ve never requested, endorsed or pushed for PvE isolation.
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I said “your ilk” because I mix you together with those balos type carebears you often seem to agree with. Is that a wrong assumption? Are you actually in favor of the possibility of PvP interference in PvE? If so I apologize sincerely.
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You said ‘He and his ilk’, meaning me specifically. Also I didn’t complain about people not socializing in HS. I simply stated there was a lot more social interaction in the past than there is now.
You posted that comment explicitly as a direct personal attack on me and more importantly, everything you stated is a lie.
You know that “me” is not really you right…or did you already call your lawyer?
Calm down man. I already said that I apologize if I got it wrong and you are not against PvP interference in PvE which is what I was talking about when I said “isolated”. You are not PvP against interference in PvE right?
Obviously you need clarification of what that means, I suggest that you read the Forum Rules and EULA TOS
It starts to look a bit like you try to avoid the question. Maybe it just looks that way, not accusing you of anything or “attacking” you though, so don’t panic.
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LOL…you can’t even answer that question…my god you are lost.
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If youre me and Im you, and Istanbul is in this general area…
Then that means…
I AM the Queen of France?
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Oui monsieur, c’est le cas. 
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@Flint_Nova, First, let me say that I completely agree, support, endorse, and accept what the original poster has to say. However, I would like to play Devil’s advocate for a moment, because there are other ways of looking at this:
- Key Binds - I have never made any key binds, although I do use some default ones, like Ctrl+Click. Which keybinds are overpowered? Also, why didn’t you just make some key binds yourself, to put you on a level playing field with the people who are abusing them?
- Omega, Training, Reasons To Play The Game - Omega is a necessary evil to monetize the game so that the people who create and maintain the game can buy IRL omega status for themselves and their family or pets or real-doll or whoever/whatever. They need real money to sustain themselves in the real world before they can even begin to worry about a video game. To this end, Omega, i.e. their product, has to be worth something, and they have to get something for producing it. This does not conflict with having reasons and meaning in playing the game any more than Chef Boyardee’s delicious raviolis in a can makes eating Top Ramen purposeless and meaningless. In other words, why eat either?
- Story - I have found that each person playing EVE Online is kind of a story unto themselves. I actually suspect this may be the case with people offline as well, but I have not investigated that possibility thoroughly enough yet to assert it as fact. It is possible that the greatest value, meaning, purpose in EVE is to use it as a tool to understand others. I can’t think of an offline equivalent.
- Newbie-ness - To get good at anything takes time. I once knew a guy who literally did not know how to stand up, like, on his own two legs. Seriously. But he kept trying and we worked with him and over time, little by little, after months and months and . . . it took almost a year. Eventually, he figured out how to stand up and make himself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. True story.
Do you want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or do you want to be a quitter? - Importance - Are you important to you? Is what you are doing important to you? Can you make it be? Can you do something important, even if you cannot currently do it very well? I’m telling you . . . this dude I knew, he kept falling down and just kept standing back up. He bruised himself and fell flat on his face, but he just kept getting up. No one told him he had to stand up (well, actually, I did, but he didn’t speak English, anyway). He decided that standing up was a significant capability and an important goal. Maybe because he saw us standing, but so what? What kinds of things do you see people doing that you think are significant?
- The (Other) Players - Ughhhhhh. [expletive deleted] the other players. [expletive deleted] them in the [expletive deleted] with a huge, prickly [expletive deleted]. Don’t listen to them and pay them no mind. They are shite . . . except me of course.
- Alpha - Alpha is the first letter of the alphabet. Omega is the end. Really, though, that is just a comment on the likely progression that you could take, from beginning player with limited skills and skillpoints to unlimited player with limitless potential. But, you are judging the alpha by the standards of the omega, and that’s wrong. Judge the alpha as its own thing, as if it were another species rather than just thinking of sheep as sissy wolves. They are their own thing. Most people would rather be a wolf than a sheep because we associate wolves and predation with power and control, and we want power and control. But consider a game in which a sheep has to play against wolves. It doesn’t get more hardcore than that. You might have to be one of the greatest players in human history to really, convincingly win that game.
But, yeah. Game kinda sucks.
1 the game is about keybinds? no its not, just depending on how you fly and fit you can mitigate damage and use your enemies weakness against them, but majority of pvp is 1 vs multiple.
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those of us that played longer know of more ways to play or how to do something a certain way.
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eve doesn’t have a story because its a sandbox, we get lore and we get epic arcs for a story driven mission set and thats it.
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i havent spent any money for my 260m skill points, they’be been tossed in over 14 years to allow me to do what i want when i want to. I hardly ever die, there are day 0 pilots in destroyers killing people all across empire, usually trade hubs or choke points.
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none of the careers are important?i enjoy building a certain item that sell very quickly and than people use them in null sec to kill each others.
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none of the players are interested in you because in recent years eve has turned to a solo game. i know people that solo lvl 5s, burner mssions, incursions/invasions via multiboxing, frigate abyssals and complain about dying, and there are people that multi box pvp and ganking so they dont have to wait on fleets, as well as people running 100+ accounts to mine and produce/
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alpha clone shouldn’t be a thing, they didnt it to pick up numbers, before most you could do was cruiser of your race than they opened it up to all t1 ships, than restricted it from lvl 4s. theres people running around making a billion a day as alpha or multiboxing and killing freighters. The game can be very hard if you go past face value and into the workings like some of us do, there’s a reason its called Spreadsheets Online.
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The game isn’t the problem, those coming to it expecting a single player experience are.
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Bit hard to arrive new in a game and have a band of buddies just pop out of the blue for you.
EVE’s “trust no one”, “all scams are fine”, “abuse the noobs” and “every kill is a good kill” environment makes it worse.
The complete lack of team-building and group finding tools, the virtual absence of group/fleet content in early game play, and the aresehole attitude of many vets towards new players doesn’t help.
So yeah, the game is the problem. EVE is a single player experience for pretty much every new player.
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…and yet within a few minutes any new player can find plenty of support corps to join.
New players are not entitled to have NE given to them on a fluffy pink pillow…at the very least, they might need to Google or worse still, ask here for directions.
It’s not EVE, it’s people’s attitudes…it’s always the attitude…
Seriously, you just posted minutes ago (in another thread), that there is nothing here to keep you playing, and then you post that the problem is not EVE, it’s people’s attitudes?
Also, “new players can find a corp in minutes” is pretty much bullcrap, akin to saying “hey poor people isn’t a problem, they only need $2 for a lottery ticket and they can win!”.
Maybe if you have played the game for so long that you are ready to quit from sheer ennui, you can trot out a solution to any problem a new player can face. And it looks easy - after you’ve played for 8 years and know everything and have all the experience needed to make proper evaluations etc.
The new player retention and the overall player base retention speaks for itself. Forum warriors who say “Yeah I’m about to quit” in one thread and “Yeah EVE’s not the problem, the problem is entitled new players” in the next are simply not even worth listening to… they’re only here to disagree with anything they can.
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This keeps popping up but i don’t see it.
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I think they are confusing New Players with Trolling Liars
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