Likewise, figuring out how not to get caught out by the stuff Eve is renowned for, is just as much part of Eve as the scamming and ganking.
I see the challenges presented by other players, in all aspects of the game, as challenges to be overcome; others see them as insurmountable barriers that can only be “fixed” by changing the game.
Meh…
I plan to rule the EvEverse. 
–Gadget Dreams
Whoa! that’s going back.
The very first things I heard about EVE Online were 1) Player-Driven Economy, 2) Everything on the Market is made by players. 3) Sandbox. and 4) that’s its an MMO.
Once I got into the game, my introduction, my orientation to EVE Online were the Tutorial and the Career Agents. And just as Lord Roflski just said, the Tutorial and the Career Agents don’t teach you anything about playing with other people, they don’t teach you anything about PvP and they certainly don’t teach you anything about what passes for PvP in EVE Online.
The true nature of EVE Online could NOT be used as a selling point, because NO ONE would pay $15 a month to be a victim! They do NOT tell you what this game consists of before you start playing it. Like I said before, Show me the EVE Online AD that says: “Hey, do you like griefing and ganking helpless victimes?! Then, Boi, have I got the game for you!”
You only become a victim if you fail. People who perform well get rich, people who perform poorly are punished. The selling point is that your decisions, your methods allow you to differentiate yourself from the rest of the horde.
It’s what made me sub to the game. I like that people try to shoot me, I like it even more when I escape their attempts to blow me up and steal my stuff.
In other MMO’s, if you work hard or cleverly, you accumulate more power, wealth, perks, and stuff. You can’t lose any of that unless you lose access to the account.
EvE is different.
In EvE, there is no guarantee that you get to keep your rewards.
Work hard, play well, know the right people, say the right things - these should be the keys to success, and in most games, they are.
In EvE, you can accomplish all this, and still, at the end of the day, be a pauper nursing a consolation drink.
Kinda like real life.
That’s what drew me to EvE, and I would really rather that not be taken away.
–Gadget will win anyway
You mean something like “wreck their dreams” or “be the vilan” or a video where you infiltrate an alliance and steal everything because they once killed you in a t1 frigate…
The would never advertise EVE like this…
Just imagine they would sing a song to you to Harden The ■■■■ Up. Would be pretty epic.
the “wreck their dreams” ad, is an ad that introduces Citadels. It shows what’s supposed to be a fleet battle over the Citadel.
And the latest EVE Online Ad pretty much confirms what I say was what I first heard about EVE Online. the “Make Today your First Day” ad, highlights EVE’s player driven economy, manufacturing, etc.
These ads do NOT … let me repeat … they DO NOT tell potential players what EVE Online is really like.
At no point do they tell you about, display or dramatize any of the following
and they certainly don’t tell you that in EVE Online PvP means “Predator vs Prey”
Or that EVE Online’s mechanics favor the Aggressor so heavily they literally tie your hands behind your back!
Shame, really. They’d really draw in more players if they did.
This part of the discussion (hell, the whole thread) brings up that age old question: “If you hate what EVE is and has allowed since day one, WHY are you here at all”?
I mean, it’s stupid to intentionally be a part of something you feel is ‘victimizing’ you or other people (especially when that something is 100% voluntary, like a GAME). And it’s double stupid to be a part of something that you hate so much as to fight against but that shows no sign of ever changing as evidenced by the 1st 15 years of EVE Online.
I can’t be sure as I don’t share in their (literal) insanity, but if I were to hazard a guess I’d say that some people just really really like having something to hate and rail against.
@Alpha_Slow (and alts), please fill this.
Finally, this poster declares that we are just picking on, poor, little, defenseless, helpless EVE Online!
Sorry, like a Korean Drama, I’ve started with the end. Let’s begin, again.
The post concerned starts with the phrase “…This part of the discussion …” What part of the discussion? The post doesn’t make any definite references as to what part it means, however, based on the context we can assume that " …this part of the discussion…" refers to the “part” in which we discuss EVE Online advertising, or what we thought EVE Online was before we began to play it.
In short, the post opens with “…this part of the discussion…” and at the same time completely ignores it, acts as if “…this part of the discussion…” isn’t really taking place. As if it has no meaning. Because after referring to “…this part of the discussion…” the poster then asks “…Why are you here at all?..”
I “duh’d” at this. Its a “Duh!” moment.
But, the “Duh’s” don’t stop there.
And then this person says: “…its stupid to intentionally be part of something you feel is 'victimizing you…” Of course, after completely ignoring “…this part of the discussion…” in which we are discussing EVE Online advertising, the impressions we had of EVE Online before we started playing it, this person asks “…why are you here at all?” as if the answer hadn’t been provided already, as if nothing has been said on the subject, and thus this person can conclude, (I’ll refrain from any characterizations of this conclusion) that our current feelings about EVE Online have always been our feelings about EVE Online, and thus if they are we are “…stupid to intentionally be part of something we feel is victimizing *us…”
Its a …its … its just a “Duh” moment.
And thus this person can conclude that its other people, these people, who are insane, LITERALLY insane, and are just picking on poor, defenseless, helpless, innocent EVE Online.
Let’s also note that the post in question bares a familiar DEFENSIVENESS.
Of course, I’ve already said this before, but:
I think the question is, How do you feel about making a ‘game’ of other people’s grief and frustration?
Favouritism.
I think they are just too lazy to moderate the forums properly.
I understand it’s probably no fun when, occasionally, the forum rules work against you. If it happens often enough or we are of the wrong mindset, it might even start to feel like a cruel joke is being played on us. But after 800+ posts, a new participant in the thread would have a long climb, and after 800+ posts, anyone who was already a participant of the threadprobably had more than enough time to contribute meaningfully.
I did not know that there are forum rules about the length or age of a thread. But there certanly are about trolling, spaming and verbal abuse.
What happens here is that ISD and the “CCP community team” is to lazy to actually enforce the rules and just practice “trash can moderation”, where they are too lazy to do anything against any rule breaker and instead just close the thread after it has been completely trashed by the spamers.
Also around 200 of those 800 posts came from one very well known spamer who repetedly derails threads and spams them to hell and then demands they get locked.
What I think has happened is that you had a certain expectation of outcome, but your model of the world had a flaw somewhere and the outcome you actually encountered was unexpected. To assimilate this new information, your mind will have to reorient itself, but that will require you to abandon your flawed perspective or at least certain of its aspects. This process, often referred to in EVE as “HTFU” is actually more accurately described as a softening, a relaxing of your rigid set of rules for how the world behaves to accomodate this new exception. It is very difficult for some people, who are collectively referred to as “carebears”, i.e. people clinging to the safety and certainty of their old paradigm. But the truth is that . . . well, we may all be “carebears” under the right circumstances. And in such circumstances, it may be illogical to lash out randomly at a ganker or a forum moderator or . . . God, but maybe it is also reasonable. We’re only human after all.
Perhaps this is your carebear moment.
Can I have your stuff? 
So what you basically say is that I should HTFU and adapt to the new forum meta which is spaming threads of people you don’t like with disposable forum alts until they get locked? Is that what you try to say Nitshe?
Edit:
Did not really get your part with the ‘carebear’ stuff. It’s a bit like the fat kid who calls other kids fat because that’s what they call him?
you should have made a separate thread to ask that question.
It would have been Insta-Locked. If not removed completely.
You should learn the forum rules, if you have questions about Forum Moderation you are supposed to Submit a Support ticket.
Right now, you guys are essentially asking them to lock this thread because such discussion is a clear violation of the forum rules.
What a great way to highlight the problem I was talking about
Oh! Talk about “posterior pain” 
