oh that’s ironic. I’m arrogant, but you can’t handle the idea that someone other than you can have an opinion?
Everything you’ve said here so far has been the result of your own ignorance and what appears to be a personal problem. Personal problems are no one else’s problem.
I’m quite familiar with DeMichael’s opinion on ganking because I’ve seen him speak on the topic for a few years now. You’re new, and don’t have a clue, and you’re arguing your case from an uninformed position. That just makes you wrong. It’s got nothing to do with what I think, it’s demonstrable. You can actually read his post in full and see what he’s saying about ganking, but you haven’t done that, which is why anyone that isn’t a halfwit can see you’re wrong.
Yeah, @Remiel_Pollard is correct. He understands the point I was making. I’ve known him in the forums here for quite a few years. Now we’ve had a difference of opinion on a few topics over the years but overall his replies are tactful and well written.
@Anderson_Geten is a name that’s unfamiliar and rather new to me here in the forums. From what I’ve seen most of the replies are confrontational and judgemental. Quoting a small section of my statement and portraying it way out of context to turn it into a different topic in order to demean and irritate others is unacceptable.
My exact statement was “So that’s the problem with Eve, bored players not caring enough to actually make a plan that will work and then consequently not even working their original plan in the first place.”
I used a failed Suicide Ganking attempt as an example to illustrate how most everything in this game has been dumbed down, requiring little pre-planning and almost zero thought process for execution which quickly brings on boredom.
As an Explorer and Level 4 Epic Arc runner, I travel in High Sec, Low Sec and Null Sec all the time. I have multiple areas that I operate from and I enjoy my gameplay. What I don’t enjoy is some newb with no knowledge of me or my playstyle telling me what I should be doing.
And yet you are telling what those players, whom you have no knowledge of their playstyle, taste or even time to prepare a gank, should do.
The fact that you are in that forum from a long time or not does not make your point more relevant.
People want to gank because Eve offers that. People don’t care about the result of the gank because they want to play, not to minmax pixels.
And you are complaining because people don’t think the same way as you do, it was better before. That’s the definition of a bittervet. That’s what makes me sad.
Then the only example you give is of suicide ganking. Because if a player loses a ship to a L2 it’s not a problem ?
I’m not telling you what you have to do. I state that you are becoming a bittervet and I tell you what I think would be better for you.
Then of course if you don’t follow that advice, I will only be sorry for you but that’s your choice.
Just think that if the only problem you have is with suicide gankers, then go in another space, there won’t be suicide gankers. There will still be L4s, exploration.
Not gonna get into a big old discussion about Suicide Ganking with you, especially since it’s a common activity that happens all over High Sec space. Those players said they were bored which is why they decided to try it on my T3 Cruiser. My point was about how things are way too easy now in this game causing players to be easily bored. That is the whole crux of the example I gave, there’s no other intent implied with my initial statement.
Your point is how it is too easy to SUICIDE GANK. Your only problem is with SUICIDE GANKING.
Tell me how it is a problem that people lose ships to L2 and we can discuss.
Tell me why you dont ask people that lose ships to ghost sites “Why did you do that ?”.
You have a specific attitude towards SUICIDE GANKING and that’s why I can say you have a problem with SUICIDE GANKING and not with the global attitude of players in Eve.
Also, the fact that they are bored does not necessarly mean that the things are too easy. correlation is not causation.
Wow, you seriously do have a problem with Suicide Ganking. Stop projecting your issues with it onto me. As an explorer I could have easily said exploration is boring due to being dumbed down and turned into Instant Gratifacation mode but that would just be my opinion.
I used the failed gank attempt to illustrate how players get easily bored in game because they themselves told me they were bored and when I said let’s do PvP, they declined cuz they wanted to do the easy Instant Gratification action.
Anyway, to get back on the thread topic, in my 10 years of playing this game I’ve had a dozen gank attempts done on me, all of them failed and not once did any of them ever say ‘GF’ in local chat.
No, Demichael gave an example of a common occurrence which can be viewed as problematic. You should feel ashamed for pushing him back on his very valid opinion with your half-backed kneejerk reaction to criticism of a what is obviously bad game design. It is amazing how so many morons seem to think everything is working as intended due to blind blind faith in authority (CCP) despite their unprecedented track record of failure.
If people have the option for easy targets and no risk like they do in suicide ganking, they will overwhelmingly prefer to do so, and take away from legitimate pvp.
Fix the ■■■■. There is the reason the game has such a pathetic population after so many years of continuous development and it has nothing to do with the full loot pvp ruleset. EVE is arguably the most carebear of the full loot pvpmmorpgs and also a griefers paradise.
What you call an unfair fight, I call being strategically outmanoeuvred, an act deserving of a compliment (gf!) If I’m outnumbered 10 to 1 without realising it I (well, my scout alt…) seriously f**ed up.
Agreed. That’s the kind of weird and counter-intuitive thing about PVP in Eve. There’s some ship-handling skill involved, but that’s kind of secondary. The main part is getting yourself in advantageous position, and also avoiding getting yourself into a disadvantageous situation. It’s more like predator vs. predator hunting than what you’d think of as battle. I think of it as life in the ocean-- every fish, crab, octopus is trying to eat something, without getting eaten. No unfair fights there or in Eve. Imbalanced fights, but not unfair ones.
OK just read 50+ posts so will not reply to any specifically so in general: There is a difference between fiction and reality. This game is a fictional universe so whatever is done here does not mean the person would do it in real life, not because of real life consequences but because I for one wouldn’t harm someone else by stealing their stuff IRL… hopefully this is the reason most people won’t do it IRL, while in the game I constantly steal stuff from people all the time and haven’t got the slightest issue with sleeping nor looking in the mirror.
There is such a thing as playing a game and roleplaying something that otherwise would be questionable. Many people enjoy watching evil characters in movies, sometimes we even root for the evil guys to win, most cases that does not mean we would do the same in real-life as that case innocent people would get hurt by the evil which most of us do not associate with nor would want to happen, but that is the reason why we experience fiction (among other reasons) to can experience things safely without it having negative consequences on people, and as fiction even “evil” things can be fun.
Obviously there are a minority of people who are antisocial and/or sociopaths or outright evil and enjoy that stuff even when it has negative effect on others, or especially when it has such, but those are, I think, just a minority and most people just enjoy the game for what it is. When you start playing EVE you are aware what kind of game it is, it has its reputation as well which is a good thing as everyone knows what they can expect, so you have no excuse, and if you deliberately confuse fiction with reality and pretend other people try to hurt you when they just play a game as intended then you are the problem not them. And if you see a troll who tries to harass you for real just ignore him and laugh at his desperate attempt and move on with your real and in-game life as well.
My dude, you’re arguing with a +5 who has a few months of experience with the game at most.
You know those atheists who just discovered they’re atheists and feel the need to argue aggressively with every single theist that crosses their path, or every single person that expresses a theistic idea, and shout them down because it’s the edgy thing to do?
That’s what you’re arguing with. This guy only just discovered this game and it’s unique gameplay options. He’s got some growing up to do yet. Don’t waste any more time arguing with him. The people who matter know we’re you’re at.
For the record, I do disagree with you on one thing: “go play something else”. Some people really do need to be told to go play something else. This game is not for them. It is a niche game that only a few can really appreciate, and I know you are one of them, but in the general population of modern gamers these days, those who can appreciate it for what it is are a minority.
Although, if I get caught in a blob, I definitely don’t give a ‘gf’. Blobs are not good fights. They’re not even fights, really. A ‘fight’ implies competition, and there’s no competition in a blob. It’s easy to blob someone. Anyone can do it, and you’re not proving anything when you do. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve done blobbing myself, but as much as I won’t give a gf if it happens to me, I won’t expect one from the victims I blob.
Yeah bro, see that’s where we disagree. I think telling people aggressively to go play another game is uncalled for and just plain wrong. All that does is hurt CCP and us in the long run.
I think it’s much better and a lot more helpful to just politely suggest they play this game in a different way. There’s actually a lot more to do in this game than just PvP ship battles.
The only problem with it is the wrong people being told to ‘go play something else’. Enjoying this game all comes down to having the right attitude for it. The wrong attitude is easily identifiable if you know what you’re looking for. Yes, there’s a lot to do besides ship battles, but the game is constructed around those battles, and if you’re not prepared for them if and when they come your way, you’re not going to enjoy yourself.
I don’t tell people to go play something else lightly, though, and usually not as a first resort unless they demonstrate a serious unwillingness to learn and adapt. I have helped more than a few dozen new players get a foothold in this game, and at least three or four of them have become very good PVP’ers. Benji Dan being a name I remember most. I brought him up from carebearing to taking on vets toe-to-toe (and winning) in PVP in about two weeks. He went off to nulsec with some other guys we made friends with and made a decent little KB for himself out there.
My first thought is to help. If a player won’t accept that help, I suggest they try another game, if it’s appropriate, and this one seems to be not for them. Because it’s not for everybody. It’s not possible to make a game that IS for everybody. You can make a very popular one that appeals to the unwashed masses, but there will always be people like me who want their hardcore and their study flight sims like DCS and Xplane, and their pure failstate games like Xcom. Niche games do have a place on the market, and their developers are not hurt by being niche. Make no mistake, success is not measured by popularity, but by whether or not you have achieved your goals. I’ve been very successful in life. I just finished getting my commercial ratings as a pilot and I’m testing for a co-pilot seat with QANTAS at the moment, although I’m on a bit of a break right now. I have accomplished my goals, I’ve been successful.
So I wouldn’t worry about hurting CCP. The people with the right attitude are doing well and will stick around for a long time. The people with the wrong attitude are either going to develop a new attitude towards it, and stick around (this was my case), or they are going to quit anyway. As someone who had the wrong attitude for this game, I have front-row seats to the characteristic traits of that attitude.
In my honest opinion I believe telling someone to go play another game should only be done as a polite suggestion after all other play options available in game have been tried.
By the way, good luck with QANTAS, hope it materializes quickly. I’m on somewhat of a break from work myself so I know what that’s like.
