Where are new characters getting killed?

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What do you two think is the composition of the NS stat of attrition of new characters?

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Without looking at the killmails, I don’t know. Certainly, if it is lots of cyno alts, then there should be lots of cyno ships among the kills.

What I do know is that the new player friendly Alliances/Corps in null have large numbers of members:

Karmafleet: 8126
Pandemic Horde: 13,887
Dreddit: 3041
Brave Newbies: 5629 (and at it’s height before the big purge, it was the reason for CCP increasing the Corp limit)

Certainly not everyone in those Corps/Alliances are new players, however their marketing to new players has been exceptional over the last few years.

So I don’t have a view I would back strongly without looking at the data, though new players moving to null has been a trend for several years now.

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If you had to choose, with due levity as conjecture, without that data at hand, would you think the majority of the NS new character attrition is genuine new players, or alts of established players?

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I wouldn’t. In the absence of data to validate it, any opinion is meaningless and no better than any other unvalidated alternative.

It’s why what the OP has done is great. It’s backed by data, but only for what it explains. Extrapolation to “it’s large numbers of cyno alts”, etc. means nothing.

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Fine.
I specifically said if you had to choose, but if you want to side-step that, your call.

The majority is either true new players, or alts of existing players.
If you can think of a 3rd demographic, I’m all ears.

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Why are you arguing over something that can’t be confirmed even by CCP?

Let it go…

And still waiting for that apology.

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Ask them.

Unless you can think of a 3rd demographic, the NS new character attrition stats are in majority either genuine new players, or new alts of existing players.

It cant be cut any other way.

For what?

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Go check my last reply

Stop acting like you don’t know what I’m talking about

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Pfft. I dont owe you any apology.
There are rules here, but this is not the discord.

You’ve got nothing, Dom.
I know your MO.

True to form, you ignored my questions, as usual of you.

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So you’re denying that you went full sexist on Faylee, or that you insulted people who were disagreeing with you?

You left the discord, and this is a place that everyone on there read, do yes. It’s the right place.

Also, you base your assumption on gut feelings. But no one even cares as the numbers are black on white for all to see.

@Ima_Wreckyou thread was successfully Salvos ed
Seems like with all the numbers in their face they try to come up with some random assumptions lolll

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I’ll just add for the third time that even CCP can’t say with accuracy if a player is brand new or just an alt. :slight_smile:

E1: oh and you’re not asking any questions to me, just saying stuff that was already cleared out many times…

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code attacking new players? no way o.0

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Oh?
So which is it?
Is the majority of new character attrition in NS from genuine new players, or alt characters of existing players?

Unless you have a 3rd demographic to present, its either or of the above.

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For the 4th time,

No 3rd party can accurately say if a toon is an alt or a new player. Not CCP or anyone.

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So what?

If you cant produce a 3rd demographic, it has to be a majority of either genuine new players, or alts of existing players.

So, which is it?

PS: CCP can differentiate, especially regarding new characters on existing older accounts. The claim CCP cant tell the difference, is false.

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They can’t.
I know a guy with 100+ accounts

Doesn’t make him or anyone else who does it new players when they make the accounts :joy:

#checkmate

E1: I have the high ground :wink:

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Well… the player can. And a 3rd party could try to get that info from the players.

Exit surveys are probably your best bet to get that info assuming the question were present.

CCP does do exit surveys for dropping subs, but that won’t cover Alphas.

A random entrance survey at character creation could be done, but the very nature of EvE would make me question the validity of any statements. While a new player would likely answer honestly, with EvE’s particular culture I would almost expect a 50-50 shot of a an alt answering truthfully.

–Gadget marks yes

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That’s the whole point of my question.

Do you not understand that if there are only genuine new players, and alt characters of existing players in NS attributing to the NS stat of attrition of new characters in NS, that the majority of it can only be one or the other?

Use your brain. Think. Understand.

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This is general discussion, there is no high ground

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It won’t change the numbers.

Doesn’t matter if you’re happy with them in the end. And my stance doesn’t change either. :slight_smile:

I’m tired of repeating myself o7

Yeah, esp when every thread gets Salvos’ed because he doesn’t like what’s being presented to him