Hello. I started playing with two(five) friends, and we missing where is all newbie content. We’re flying cruisers/battlecruisers mostly. It seems like it’s non-existent, do I missing something?
Abyssal - it’s instanced, repetitive, boring, time-limiting, random and we’re locked to frigates and only as three players max
lvl1 missions is a joke
lvl2 missions require little grind or Connections and also is a joke
lvl3 missions require a lot of grind(in weeks without skills) and careful picking missions or you’ll lose standing which is hard to get. And sometime they are also isajoke
lvl4 missions require a month(s) of utterly freaking boring grind, even more careful picking missions, and cuz you unable to dismiss standing-harmig mission everytime it’s just a waste of time flying from agent to agent instead of playing. Also they provide LP instead of direct ISK => you need ISK to make ISK
Incursions are high-level and for bigger fleet 10/40
C1 wormholes is boring, killing frigates take a long time and take a lot of time to find C1 from highsec
C2 wormholes is less boring
C3 wormholes can be too hard for us, but challenge is perfect. Though we’ll getting ganked everyday => wasting time to run away, stressful environment and if you’ll get ganked by fleet with covops, you’ll lose your ship and capsule. Yeah, perfect for newbies
Combat sites in highsec is a joke
Combat anomalies in highsec almost the same as combat sites, but also requiring to be scanned
Combat sites in lowsec get you ganked on gate or after you enter site. And also meh.
Combat sites in nullsec is okayish cuz nullsec is empty, but you’ll get logistic issues. And a chance to pack your things and run away when 25 ppl gank decide to hunt you
We didn’t tried to Pochven, but I suppose it’s high-end content like Incursions. Also, standing grind. Also, you’ll get ganked.
EDENCOM event sites is boring, Smugglers is good, almost C3-WH good. But you’ll waste 20~60 mins to 5 fun minutes to get then few gilas to intercept your boss and ruin your mood
Kindly asking where can we get combat-oriented content for newbies with 2m~5m skillpoints (400k starting skills + referral 1m + capsuleer day’s 450k + 300k for month of daily event) for cruiser/battlecruiser sized ships equipped with T1/T2 modules with semblance of safety?
I asked GMs the same question and got answered with
To find new content the best way to do is, to join a corp or alliance, there are a lot of things to do, like invading wormholes, capturing a sovereignty system, destroying structures, and big/small fun fleet fights even with cheap (less than 20 million) ships, fleet mining, and for solo or 1 - 3 person, content abyss can be interesting as well, faction warfare, ESS intrusions, and some other activities.
To which my answers were:
I am already in my corps with friends. Corporation itself does not provide content
Invading wormholes is contradicting to requested parameter “with semblance of safety”
Capturing a sovereignty system is PvP content and not for 2-5 player newbies on T1 cruisers
Destroying structures is either is, let’s say, not exciting (how long it will take Oracle to kill POCO?) or not safe and it’s not really can be called a content is it?
Big/small fun fleet of gate campers in lowsec? Faction Warfare when all you get is escalation-or-run-away? Roaming PvP fleets in nullsec? Roaming PvP fleets in WH? Yeah, it’s super safe PvE activity for 2-5 player newbies
I suppose fleet meming can be exciting in highsec(safety!) if you like to stare at rocks
Abyss is restricted to frigates; time limiting; grindy; random; repetitive; max 3 players; not really safe (you’ll lose capsule if DC happens)
Faction Warfare is PvP activity which is against safe and chilling and were answered above
ESS intrusions is PvP activity. When I said null sec is empty, I’m not sure I’ll get zero reaction from null-elites if someone will try to rob their banks. And I understand them - there is no content for them too!
Incursions often require strict fit, skills, implants and it’s not for 2-5 player fleet
Event is fun(smuggler ones), but it’s more about hurry and wait content than combat content for small 2-5 players fleet
If by most content you mean PvP then yes, I dismissed it, because I’m asking for PvE content.
I don’t know if hurry and wait game is fun for you, but it’s not for me. I don’t know if killing three frigates as fleet of three cruisers after 15 min of flying around to get mission is exciting for you, but it’s not fun for me.
UPD2: Level 1-3 missions were designed for solo player, not fleets. Of course it would be boring and grindy! That’s half the reason I dismissed them. Also, lvl2 mission as battle ships is not really exciting even solo - missions were designed with frigate/destroyer class size in mind. I can’t find lvl2 mission which require, say, battleship size.
UPD1: To be strictly fair, PvP content is outside of this topic. IF you’re asking about my option. then for me PvP can be fun if it’s structured => can’t have outside interference. When you join 1v1 frigate abyss you do not expect it to be one-player-on-frigate versus one-fleet-of-hundred-carriers, yes?
When you’re staying with girl(man)friend, do you did it over discord in two different hotels or do it in the same bed?
It’s becoming if you’re homeless just buy a house meme. Asked for PvE content - suggested PvP activity. Asked about 5 man fleet - suggested to split it in two. Asked about battlecruisers - suggested to fly destroyers.
I am explained parameters not enough? Repeat after me: 2-5 players, PvE, for newbies, with limited outside interference, medium-sized ships, chilling(safe and not hurry up and wait type).
My post was created after I looked over eve-uni wiki, asked around in the game and even raised a GM ticket. Raised because I am both concerned about EVE Online and about what to do in the game. And if there really no content with, honestly, not so restricting parameters, then “yeah, only lvl4 missions inside asked parameters” will be enough to confirm this issue. And after it’s confirmed, question can be raised: it is bug or feature?
Yeah, I’m basically going to say what Gix said, except with a little more tact. Eve is an always-on-PvP sandbox game with a full loot death mechanic. There is plenty of PvE in the game (and some of it doesn’t completely suck), but it’s also not the game’s strong suit. So, if you’re not looking for a hardcore PvP experience, then maybe you should move on. However, since you’re already here, why not try to have some fun before you go?
Anyway, abyssals and incursions are the two biggest group PvE activities in the game. Unfortunately, abyssals are limited to 3 players, and incursions will require that you join someone else’s fleets -which means you’ll have to deal with waitlists. On the plus side, you can also make some new friends in game, and eventually get all your peeps into fleet.
In empire space, though probably quite repetitive if you do it 5 times in a row, I found the epic arcs to be more interesting then regular missions.
For fleets with true 5 players (5 persons using 1 account each rather then 1 person using 5 accounts) I’d recommend you to do C3 / C4 / C5 space stuff. Ewar and remote repair are very powerful when you’re not buzzled about which client you just alt-tabbed into and neglect the others all the time.
Escalations might be a thing, too. They are randomly rewarded for completing combat signatures but most people who get them don’t run them. Instead, they are often “sold”, allowing you to buy an escalation you want to run, rather then grinding cosmic signatures in hope to get one and it to be one that you like. I don’t know where they’re traded in highsec, however all larger low and nullsec alliances trade them all the time, so I assume there to be a chat channel for escallation trade, or something like that, in highsec, too.
Even flying through high-sec is a risk to suicide gankers, so no, not “any risk of PvP” is vetoed out, but “low effort ganking”
Between “low” and “high” there is supposed to be “middle”, no? Jumping from career agents straight to Incursions is a high toll for newbies. And it’s not only about skill points or ISK, it’s also about skills as a player; paranoia level and how stressful gameplay for newbie is: losing your ship because your own mistake is one thing, losing fleet because of your mistake as logistic is another level of stress
That’s what I’m asking here - PvE content that I missed. I didn’t looking for PvP content because there is a lot of it already: from roleplaying space pirates to wardecing to ganks to FW to evictions.
I will say that again, that’s not about learn or not learn PvP. To me, your answer is like when you come to get bike driver license but official throw you away with words: go get truck drive license instead!
You have bugged sorting function in your brain. “get rekt” is the first comment to this topic.
That’s calling “show an example”.
We considered joining FW as alts, but that’s offtopic
P.S. What’s current status of FW now? I hear FW degraded to spinning plex and run away on the first sight of the enemy to be back with x2 size of your fleet.