Funny… I don’t seem to remember seeing you on-grid, or even in the same system on these occasions.
Maybe… because you weren’t there, the tree didn’t make a sound when it fell?
Notice this:
Somehow you are to blame for other people not giving loot back.
They tried this with me a couple of years ago, was a desperate failure because I was totally not bothered by the loot at all. If I picked it up I would hand it back, but as I very rarely picked anything up it was a non-issue, but they worked themselves up into a right old frenzy, was hilarious…
Who can ever forget Jason Kusion complaining on WIS that people were stealing his loot!
What bad person would do such a thing? You think you can endure that any longer? Anything that can be done to help you, to make your daily business a better experience?
Will you be my AG hero and hunt down these killrights i got?
@Dracvlad @Wah_Huren
Also Drac your 3 post limit was used up a long time ago. Following recent advice given to me, you are done!
But seriously, the AGs (including multiple NEP) claimed to have looted and were proud of it. Following were justifications why stealing the loot from the Victim was fine, since it’s in the name of damaging me. They reacted with indifference to my suggestion of giving it back to the owner. ‘Nono, this is actually to help the other poor people we are going to help!’
Now if they go around claiming this, and go about justifying the scoop and why they are going to keep it, why should I assume this is done by outside partys? If a guy in my fleets, without a safety. tag makes claims that I don’t dispute or that i publicly agree with, you can safely lay them at my feet.
Now am I to understand that NEP policy is to actually return ‘contested loot’ to the original owner? I find it hard to believe. I am probably not even getting a straight answer, because a honest one would probably damage the ‘we are the good guys’ act too much.
Since you are here, and people in your channels can probably not tell you this without being banned: You often act very arrogant and aggressive in the AG channels. You do this most often when you perceive ‘mean ganker spys’, which is basically everyone not 100% on the ‘mean grr ganker’-train.
Now I don’t follow them too much, but I have never seen you in anything other than ‘attack mode’. Maybe try to foster a bit of a more relaxed attitude in there? I could see how the climate in your chats is not very fun to hang out in.
Just saying this to you directly, since you have (what i perceive as) a very ‘confrontational’ personality, but there are certainly other actors ‘from your community’ 
that could calm down a little.
Sounds to me like OP was really really unhappy with AG to AG interactions…
Why would anyone listen to someone who steals telling someone that loot needs to be returned to the victim? Are you a little mad?
My personal policy is to return loot to the victim, but it was my own personal policy which I do not impose on anyone else. NEP policy seems to be to give the loot back, so respect to them, I have no idea about whether or not Astral had such a policy. So when you come on all high and mighty, think about it.
You seem a bit upset for having your alts cleared out of the channel when they misbehave.
Gank-Intel has a policy of clearing out any identified Ganker alts in that channel.
Anti-Ganking channel allows gankers and their alts to stay as long as they behave.
I detail all my moderation so that other moderators can see it. Not a single one has had an issue with me. I would take that over a butthurt dishonest ganker any day. Oh and was that confrontational?
The OP was upset that there was no community from other people doing AG, having had the same happen to me at times I can understand and respect it.
If you have killrights on someone, unjust actions have occured against you for sure! Make them available and allow justice to be forced upon the evildoer!
Yes, imagine you got it wrong - and this right here - your usual behavior, is just unpleasant to be in. Just saying this as a friendly person, you are turning away your own prospective community members.
I get things wrong sometime. This is human nature and assuming that I am always 100% right in everything i do, would be very arrogant. Can you do the same? Is there the remote possibillity in Dracvlads world that he might have gotten atleast one or two of the hundreds of moderation decisions wrong?
If one or two were wrong, could there have been more? If there were more instances of toxic Admiral Drac going at people harshly for minor things, maybe there is a bad climate in the chats? Maybe the general unpleasant atmosphere, paranoia over ganker intrusions and that everyone is quickly labeled something along the lines of ‘ganker shill’ helps to alienate potential AG newcomers.
Its not about you you know.
how many times have i heard that people should take steps to defend themselves, we do it and you try to belittle it,
Like the time we did an event pve in combat ships , forums full of poor Loki, most of you are so transparent in your replys and try so hard to hide the salt
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Sorry if I misunderstood you here, maybe it’s a language barrier thing. But are you not implying here, that because of your ‘abyss protection’ gankers ‘not showing up’?
edit: also stance on scooping loot from victims and returning it to the original owner? I know you never had the policy (i asked before^^) just clarifying if it maybe changed. Is it encouraged at least?
I made it clear we are doing this and they don’t show , you know i will post on the forums how you fail 
just adding 2+2 , the gankers dont come
Haha, so I did get it right afterall! Yeah you sure are winning the war on drugs right now. Docked up your biggest ship with a ‘mission accomplished’ banner, no doubt. 
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The point is you dont , we will do it whether you come or not
You define yourself as a friendly person and a prospective community member, get way with you, what a load of twaddle…
The AG channels are continuously trolled by people with bad intentions, in fact I found that two other moderators are a lot quicker to ban or mute people than me and both of them told me that I was too kind. So do I believe them, or do I believe you. I can freely admit that I have made a couple of mistakes, but I corrected them with the people concerned and told myself to do better, moderation of any forum or chat channel is often difficult, especially when you come in part way through, and when you have nasty people who want to cause a bad ambience like most gank alts.
Obviously you seem to think it is a weak spot or something I feel vulnerable about, but my peers seem perfectly happy with me. I also don’t mind telling you that Astevon was worried about making me a moderator because I was posting on the forums, he thought that I would bring those conflicts into the channel. However as the AG chat channel requires people to behave civilly to each other and also requires people not to mis-lead I just had to wait for those people who wanted to bring their forum warfare into the channels to step over those lines and kaboom, out they went. Gix being the best example.
I am happy that you seem to find my moderations something to get upset about, sounds like I am doing it right.
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No one likes it when you winkle out spies
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Is the information about this system already known? I have not found any public available information about your project yet, neither at your website nor in the description of your corp nor here at the boards. Maybe the gankers just don’t know where to look for all the juicy targets?
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That information is freely available, on a Need-To-Know basis… 
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I need to know, for science! Discretion guaranteed!
From: Apo Bong
Will you be my AG hero and hunt down these killrights i got?
I ran kill rights in the past as a form of content in 2021, in 2022 I roleplay as an unscrupulous merchant!
Since I sell Tornados I love seeing them die and I can even help with that, it is good for business. 
You could run the kill rights since you have positive security status, it is fine!
I’m not running kill rights at the momment, but in the future I will consider doing it again, people really love laughing at the kill report and a few people send good tips!
The kill right system is very flawed:
-when you kill someone then the wreck is not yellow, then a lot of randoms show up and loot, i killed a few haulers with it, including freighters
-the target is notified who is hunting him, so the target will see you in local and the target can dock or logoff or reship, the target can play all cards
-the hunter receives no notifications, so the hunter has no idea which kill rights were handled to him
-when the target is flashy yellow because the kill right activation and the target takes a gate, then everybody who shot the target will disapear from the kill report, then only the people on the other side of the gate who finish off the target will be on the kill report
-locator agents have long cooldowns
-kill right is available for 30 days only
So the kill right system is not fun enough, it is a pain, this system is just for selling a bit more Tornados! 
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It seems I am the only one who can speak for everybody.
Since I am fine with both worlds and I am very nice to everybody, I am queen. 
The big play in EVE is killing everybody else and saving who works with you.
The antiganking is very casual and random, if people had committed to making it ISK then it could flourish.
But the antigankers are too attached to alien morality that comes from real life, that has nothing to do with the game!
First of all, the antigankers have to start ganking, then wash away these wrong conceptions about the clicky part!
If it is too much for you then start ganking the gankers… gank those tornados sitting at the gates, gank the haulers. Then later start extorting, start ramsoning the system, harass station owners and force them out, steal more loot, add as -10 everybody who is saved and don’t pay for the antianking service and then gank them over and over (that’s where I erase the line and approve the use of hate while clicking). If they still resist then add their corp as -10 and gank them too until their debt is paid.
There is a job line in real life that is called bounty hunting, in EVE bounty hunting could be going to gank the people who were saved and didn’t pay the bill for the service that was provided to them.
It all starts by throwing away wordly morality that is alien to EVE and only brings poor content, then the play starts by seeing mechanics with naked eyes.
Then start seeing that everybody else is just an alt of a null or low seccer, because that’s mostly true. There are very few true high sec newbros and they are going for roams in low and null too… if you want to help the newbros then empty the pockets of those whales comming to highsec with their cargo fitted haulers and toxicity.
Now about the ganking, there are a lot of gank bears out there, who will cry if anyone shoots them and there are a lot of misunderstandings about the people around them. Those people around are doing random things, each one trying to understand something or do something different than the other guy, there is barely any cohesion and everybody very casual… except for that weirdo Knowledgeminer.
Yeah, it really sucked when he gave the boot to all 34 of my carefully-embedded spies, ruining the months of work I put into my clandestine operation with one fell swing of the ban-hammer.
Some people desperately desire power/influence over others, but have very few avenues and opportunities for acquiring it.