Like that Cute Gank Pod kill right at the end to finish the vod.
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Well you did make it easy for me, and I think it was 5.
It is so funny that you think that I am desperate for power and influence, shows how little you actually know. Whenever I read anything written about me by you, I cannot help but think that you are projecting your own personality and issues on me.
I must admit its often me that drags Drac back in to AG , i chat to him about something ive seem or what people have said, often planning a line of chat or action to draw people out , works like a dream many times,
So your completely wrong about him wanting power.
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I think you’re confusing him never logging in with him not wanting to feed his megalomaniac ego.
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All that says is your spys are not very good or you don’t really care
I don’t have any spies anymore, Dracvlad sleuthed them all out.
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Is there a list of corps/alliances or channel where people meet who want to fight against ganking? I have visited the Anti-Ganking channel but I don’t understand why the people are in there. They don’t talk at all and it does not look like they have fleets up or running any activities? Even if someone wanted to contribute, how to get started?
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Anti-ganking channel is really for intel chat, it can be full of spies too. Most crime fighting corps or corps that take part in ag activities generally use the channels to home in or intercept any groups, Ag activities are dependent on gankers , if you see a report of a gank fleet, move to that area and you will start to see others show up, just go in something cheap and fast locking and with range , stay out of the ball of cats or you will die, keep moving and stay close too gate, watch others doing the same but remember at the gate will be ganker scouts , bumpers and loot and often tackle , zkill is your friend find out what people are killing,you can soon spot ganker or Ag or just a war Decker
Remember they don’t want us around so if our numbers are to high they will stop ganking
Or a game of cat and mouse ensues which can be fun, dscan can help workout what a fleet is doing
Ps tornado ganker at gates will need a killright to stop and a small group, your welcome to join a kill right hunt if time zones work
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No, there are no more spies, Dracvlad kicked them all out.
Thank you for your reply. I have tried some of this, but it seems to have little effect I fear. Neither Catalysts nor Ruptures nor Tornados or Thrashers even care at all if I point them (they are auto-tackled anyway as soon as they shoot?) or when I shoot them in my frig from range (it does not even scratch the paint). Their target is dead anyway before I can do anything, so that looks like a useless activity to me? Other people have called that killmail whoring… And killrights, well they are often way too expensive to be worth activating (at least for me), and even if I would, they could just jump the gate while I have weapons timer…
Aren’t there public fleets with different roles, like tacklers, scouts, EWAR, damage, logi and all that in Antiganking? Or guides to antiganking, lists who to set red, what overview settings to use, how to place or activate a killright to maximize success rate? The gankers seem to use scouts, looters, tacklers and lots of tactical calculations too and look highly organized to me?
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We do what you said in our corp, other independent gankers have picked up the effective tactics along the way.
But your right about the alpha strike gankers , without kr and a team , not much can be done
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The gankers are way more organized because there is an economical equation on it, I’m not saying all ganks are for ISK, I am saying there are expenditures, contracts, marketing, production, hauling. The invisible aspects of the gank is the part nobody talks about, it’s hard work. Only hardworking people can become good gankers, just like a mom preparing the kids’ lunchboxes, the gankers have to prepare their lunchboxes for their alts and friends.
Shooting flashy reds in most cases is kill whoring, unless you are testing fits and mechanics then it’s for learning.
Good would be if you could kill a few ships before CONCORD arrive, but nearly no one commits in fielding a ship that can do that.
In general, logi ships have the best possibility of perfectly countering DPS ganks, but logis don’t work against alpha doctrine ganks… for dealing with alpha ganks the only solutions is ganking the gankers ahead of time and that will stop the gank or at least make them buy more ships. But the antigankers will almost never accept to gank anything.
And for dealing with kill rights you need a ship that can one shot the target or you need more alts/people on the other side of the gate. But the wreck will be blue and all the randoms seeing this will come to loot it.
Forget about the Kill Rights system, in it’s current state is really bad, it has a few annoying flaws. I emailed Brisc about this and he confirmed that he emailed the devs about it, the problems are almost all UI related. Hopefully CCP will work on it’s issues.
Nowadays antiganking became stealing loot or kill whoring and that’s it!
The antigankers are at fault for not charging for their service and the haulers/miners are at fault for being so ungrateful, greedy and toxic in general.
How antiganking should be done in my eyes?
- To begin with people would have to organize as the gankers are organized.
- Actually saving people, not that it didn’t happen hundreds of times,
- After the guy gets saved he should be charged a fee based on his hull, go with 50%
- If the guy doesn’t pay, then bounty hunt him for 10x the hull, gank him over and over.
- If the guy disapears, gank his corp mates over and over and tell them that it’s his fault, make his corp pay his bill or die. Antigankers should hunt them anywhere they go, kspace or jspace and kill anything they can until the bill is paid at full. Kill them on any security system.
That’s it, that’s how I see how antiganking should be!
The cure for antiganking is ganking, then antiganking will finally be fun, engaging and ISK worth.
Antigankers have to throw away their white gloves and get their hands dirt if they want to have fun and do the right thing.
The community will applaud when seeing ungrateful people getting ganked over and over to pay their bills. Nobody likes ungrateful people, the gankers and the antigankers will all have a smile together with dead ungrateful people.
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Why i agree most off what you said one or two points i don’t
Our groups of Griffin’s work very well , each pilot is assigned a group of gankers to jam, our dps ships can take out 2 cats each our e-war burst can stop a gank dead if they don’t get killed, our instant lock slashers work great at pulling flashy pilots out of fleet, but all this only works in a group. A solo player will find it hard unless other ag are at the gate the same time .
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Yes, I understand you know the setups, have the experience and have the people, but how will you keep people interested in that if the people will be sitting at the gates for hours on a regular basis and make nearly no ISK at all?
I’m not saying that the antigankers are technically incapable, they are very capable, but how to organize things to make it interesting for them? That’s the whole point, they have to be rewarded with better content and ISK.
Plus, we need more ISK destruction in EVE, you are saving your enemies, if you save them for the sake of roleplay at least bleed their wallets… and if they don’t agree in paying then bring them death over and over. That’s what I am saying.
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And how does this make you better than the gankers when considering the great moral divide? In fact, how does this not make you worse than gankers? At least with gankers, you know what you get; if you carry too much, you get shot and lose your stuff. But you’re advocating for an actual protection racket. In fact, your ideas open the opportunity for large-scale scamming by faking failed ganks, and then extracting retroactive protection money from the targets. You’re even putting in a “friends and family members” clause in there, which basically makes you a mafia, and not any kind of police force.
Should there also be other anti-gankers that will help protect your targets from you when you start ganking them after they decline to pay your ransoms?
I don’t care about the cat’s ass! 
It is them who have a problem with what is space moral or not, I have no problem with anything, for 2 or 3 years I am telling Githany that he has to start ganking, but they don’t like my vision.
It’s very close to a protection racket and I have no problems with it.
Yes, opens the opportunity for scam ganks and I’m in for those too 
But it has to be really well done, otherwise the scam is too blatant then it would not be good for business… what we could do is this:
- safety ganks the target
- if they fail then the antigankers extort the victim and if he doesn’t pay he gets repeadtly ganked
- do you see a problem in this? because I don’t
Mafia is also nice, @Anthony_FatTony_Amico, yow, my dude, what’s your take on my protection racket?
Should there also be other anti-gankers that will help protect your targets from you when you start ganking them after they decline to pay your ransoms?
So?
@Destiny_Corrupted do you see why I got banned from almost any game I played?
I am kinda behaving myself in EVE, but not so much. If I ever get banned in EVE I don’t care, that’s not a problem.
There’s nothing illegal about your idea (as far as EVE is concerned). I’m just saying that it doesn’t really differ from ganking itself in terms of intent or ideology…
If the goal of anti-ganking is to help other players, you certainly won’t be accomplishing that with a protection racket. So let’s call a spade a spade, then.
Yes, that’s ganking basically, but with another background for the roleplay.
The guy who eventually gets saved will be antiganked… if he shows generosity and pays the bill, he is free and will owe nothing to no one… but if he doesn’t pay the bill then he has to die.
Those miners think that other people are NPCs, even the random heros/idiots who saved them, a group could rough them up a bit 
The antiganking that was created by other people simply suck.
My idea is fun and it is better, but people are just too attached with their views and they don’t tag along.
I don’t follow the AG stuff too much. Your idea is solid, it has extortion and a very bendable set of morals.
Gankers gank target. AG saves them. Then the extortion comes. Don’t pay? Call in the station bashers/gankers. Straight out of the textbook. I have been RPing as Fat Tony in my EVE circles for a while now and I like how you think. People who think like you and me are needed in EVE! My industry and jersey muscle associates think exactly like this. Find an opportunity and exploit it. That’s what bosses do. In every single niche. I have in my own very very unique ways. I can’t wait to write an EVE story when I get the time.
Agreed 100% from what threads I skim over the potential for corruption is very real.
I always put a nice face on. I want healthy business. I make enemies ether come crawling back to my turf and I laugh in their face. Or they simply disappear. I want to say this as my response is getting a bit long winded.
EVE is set in a grim dark era like Warhammer 40k there is corruption and extortion everywhere. For this fact it’s why I don’t resonate too heavily with the ideals of AG You’re going places @Arya_Yeshe 
Thanks for seeking my thoughts.
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Why we can only click the heart once? 
See? We think alike and this almost made me have an EVE orgasm:
solid, it has extortion and a very bendable set of morals
I knew our best mafia boss in town would see this endeavour as something to be chased after.
Don’t forget this Mr Tony, anytime you can call me for some dirty and shady business, we can see eye to eye.
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