In theory, a true player-driven market would drive costs of EVERYTHING down. Too much of anything means you have to lower the price to get rid of it… but this is Eve and we all know the ‘player-driven’ idea is a total lie. Welcome to Eve. Where modules cost less than the minerals/items to build them.
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I don’t think you’re a troll, nor do I believe anyone should criticize your playstyle. You on the other hand seem to claim the former and offer the latter on a regular basis.
A hypocrite maybe, but not a troll.
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We are gonna need you to study economics before posting about economics. I guess this must be one of the ‘bitter’ industrialists I’ve heard so much about. Weird. I’ve never had trouble making a profit with neutron blasters and retrievers…
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Seriously, what would be the point of logging in without PvP? How many times can you do a PvE mission before you realize you are just grinding for isk… and what is the point of the isk if you can’t use it for anything other than more grinding??
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They don’t realize that, even if you tell them. They don’t have the mental capacity to reason like that. Even if PvP was completely banned they would not “get” it, but just lose interest and abandon the game because it has become pointless and they don’t know why.
And then they are off to the next game they don’t like but seems still interesting to demand the same shite and repeat the cycle. I have seen this multiple times now, it’s like a ■■■■■■■ plague and game developers have not developed an imunity or even awareness of it.
EVE has resisted a long time, but not so any longer.
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Digital locusts.
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Only idiots sell below buildcost+taxes,
and there’s always players who are idiots.
The reason why you’re not seeing this in a tradehub is because most traders aren’t idiots and anything below build price would get sucked up from others, but usually that stuff is thrown at buyorders originating from jita, but reaching way outside of it.
Either you’re just trying to be funny, or you don’t really understand the matter. Reality is that there’s a limit to how low prices go, with only new players and “minerals i mine are free”-morons not knowing better.
So… no. That’s not how it works, Mister.
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Brother, you speak my thoughts.
EVE is literally the last bastion.
Never stop fighting!
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right we don’t get why someone should be able to FORCE his gamestyle onto others…a gamestyle we not like or have paid for…give us a pvp free high and everything is ok…but having NO safe haven as non pvp player is simply wrong…
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You can play on test server, there are practically no players so you can literally just move to some nice highsec area and mine and rat or whatever you’re doing for fun. No pesky player interaction.
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So stop paying. Move onto a game that provides safety. Safety has never been assured in EVE, so why continue to flog a dead horse?
I understand what you want, but it’s the same as buying a dog in the full knowledge that it’s a dog, then complaining that it doesn’t lay eggs.
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Wow, this thread is literally a list of grief. Thanks for posting it.
As for the OP question, if log in numbers decline, then demand for items will also decline. Sellers will then end up sitting on large stockpiles and in order to move those items their prices will also have to decline.
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I’m not saying that the game has too much pvp. But I think eve could be compared to other video games. It is, after all, just a video game. I can think of many games, including mmo’s, that people play for pve content. Some people don’t like pvp. I can think of plenty of reasons to play a game without pvp.
Eve is a different animal, but it’s still a game. People always have, and always will, play eve and avoid pvp. They simply like to do other stuff. Sometimes it’s just the company that you keep that makes you log in every day.
And of course, eve is eve. There is no other game that blends relative safety and extreme danger in an open environment the way it does. Other games have tried, and failed miserably. Darkfall online comes to mind. And Archeage was suppose to be the biggest mmo on the market when it came to the west, but both of these games were unsuccessful. You can still play Archeage, though it feels empty.
I think eve has… a somewhat balanced amount of pvp and pve. But it could improve, and I hope it does. The last few years ccp has been focusing on pve content because, like you said, you can only grind a mission so many times. As for pvp, I think ccp is struggling with that. I hope we see some good updates in the near future that focus on pvp. I don’t live in null, and never have, but people point out it’s problems on these forums very regularly. As for high sec pvp… we’ll see how this turns out.
I believe the intention behind the war dec changes was to retain more players. Having more players should intrinsically create more pvp. At least, that’s my theory.
Forced into pvp is no “player interaction”…“player interaction” is way more than stupidly hit someone with a club on the head like a caveman as you obviously think…
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Well…people are doing exactly THAT,they are simply leaving…you seem to ignore this to be alble to continue in your “all about eve is in order and there is no change neded” world.
People like me that like this game and want to change it to the better(better for the game not for the bittervets) are just the tip of the iceberg.
People like me are willing to fight for the game…others have given up and simply left annoyed…
But in your eyes we all should simply leave right?
Than you have your peace and can continue “how the game has to be played” right?
You then can PVP the same dozen people all over again.
May the last one turn off the light…
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The main reason for the first wardec changes last year (war eligibility) where that wars break up social bonds because the carebears adopted the strategy to just abandon the corp.
Maybe that may help to retain some amount of players. But at the same time they crippled a play stile that was already suffering even more. I’m not sure why this is so hard to see: You don’t improve retention by crippling the actual game mechanics people use. If there is nothing interesting to do people will play other games instead.
PvE in EVE should always be a means to an end. It should not be regarded as an isolated mini game that is independent of the sandbox. If you want pure PvE then EVE is simply the wrong game.
There are countless other games that have exactly that, they will not have a player driven sandbox though, because you can’t have both.
Here I make it simple. Pick one:
- Careless PvE in isolation with pure exterior motivation.
- PvE with possible interference in a sandbox that generates actual meaning.
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You can have both points by simply kill pvp in high.
Everybody beside the “eve is PVP only” morons would be happy and player numbers would rise again.
PVP would continue in low/0.0 and PVE would have a safe haven to play THEIR style.
Both parties never meet so no conflict involved,problem solved.
May the PVP caveman hit themselves with clubs on the head as long as they like to,as long as no one unwilling is involved.
Bottom line.
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Yawn.
I managed to PVE in all areas for over 10 years safely by bothering to learn how to play.
I never lost a freighter despite flying one daily and having no CODE. affiliation.
I never lost a mission boat because I didn’t shoot flashies.
I never lost a barge because I used ships that can tank and I remained alert.
I used warpaways and instadocks.
I scouted.
You on the other hand can’t be bothered. You, and your ilk continue to fall like lame cattle.
Not my problem.
In before “IT WILL BE YOUR PROBLEM WHEN THE GAME DIES AND WE ALL LEAVE BECAUSE (Insert entitled reasoning here)!!!”
Unsubbed long ago. Opinion still valid. I’m sure you’ll get your wish, however and EVE will be relegated to the same bucket of insipid bile that many other mediocre games have been cast into.
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This counts for YOU.
Others may like to do chilling stuff after work…
You simply CANNOT project your likes on the game,declare “this is the way it has to be played” and furthermore declare all other playstyles irrelevant.
And your suggestion like instadocks and all that crap wouldn’t be necessary at all if this game wouldn’t be overrun by cavemen that only see the clubbing on the head game as ONLY possible playstyle…
It simply is OUTRAGEOUS that those suggestion are necessary AT ALL.
And CCP?
They seem to wake up lately and give less tools to the cavemen…not even close to be enough but at least a start…
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Yes it counts for him, because he simply plays smarter than you.
And he can can both be chill and smart at the same time.
If not, well it’s like those braindead idiots watching and zapping through shitty channels commercials on TV and saying it “chills” them out.
Chilling = Braindead, the epitome of our modern day culture…
Eve was always about NOT being that and made for people who use their brains as a hobby.
Like Chess.
Also: Hi Balos !
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