id buy some more clogs i think
If i had infinite money i wouldnât change anything. Why bother? And it seems CCP acts like they have infinite money and can treat EVE online and its players like guinea pigs, i mean for their own amusement. This explains why the quality is dropping and the greedy behavior for lack of a better term is increasing?
CCP seems to think they have infinite money, support and love and cant do anything wrong.
Iâd hire people with that money to completely and infinitely eradicate the multiboxing FW farming problem.
Salaries would go from 5k-8k a month per person, full-time positions.
Like that makes any difference to the forum whiners who invent what âCCP saidâŚâ ?
This is what Eve music should sound likeâŚ
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Well thatâs the best part, isnât it? It means that theyâll willingly choose to be idiots. And when they do that, all you have to do is post the actual data.
Then theyâll whine and cry, and will rage-quit the forums in a fit of personal attacks to go beat their spouse or whatever it is that these unhinged losers do when their ignorance gets exposed and mocked in public. And you get to have fun and celebrate their self-imposed misfortune.
Iâve been doing this for decades, and itâs way more fun than playing the actual video game.
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What part of â Ganked = 1%â doesnât translate to your language ?
NoâŚdonât bother replying with more garbage. Itâs high time I finally blocked your toxic nonsense.
I am still waiting on this data that proves me wrong.
~ You all posted general âAccount activityâ.
Which I then both logically, and mechanically explained why that data could not be used to determine actual player population levels.
~ You all posted a Pie chart, which supposedly shows death in the first 15 days, however I have been unable to find any supportive evidence that the chart you posted is even real. For All I know you made it in photoshop.
It also says EvE 2015.
This is 2024 (now). And we are Discussing 2018-Current Year 2024. So your pie chart is again⌠Irrelevant, even if it is a valid image. because
- It is not dealing with the currently discussed time period. and
- Verification of itâs legitimacy can not be found. and
- We are discussing players in general. Not just new players. This means New players old players, returning players, etc etc etc. And the reasons they leave EvE.
~ CCP has stated multiple times, Ganking is a problem and that they understand itâs detrimental effects on the game, but that it is part of EvE. They even said in several interviews that they fully understand if they cracked down and gave more stringent consequences for ganking, They could easily increase the population and retain more players. Because it is one of the major reasons they get when someone cancels a subscription.
They said however that they are staying true to the Anarchic Dystopian atmosphere that EvE is supposed to give, and are afraid even remotely touching this area would change the entire game and how it is played.
~ You all have yet to even remotely make a valid argument. Or present even remotely accurate information disproving âMYâ Premise however.
Most of this thread in fact is simply you all winging that I had the balls to even remotely suggest CCP change ganking mechanics.
If you have an argument, state it and specifically why ganking is not a problem, in detail. And we can have a discussion. Until then most of these posts are just white noise.
Nobody has any obligation to prove anything to you.
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Then why are you posting? Obviously you feel some sort of way about what I have posted, and felt the need yourself to intercede with arbitrary posts, attempting to shame me into stop posting and shaming others who post similar things.
Not a single one of you has actually addressed anything Iâve said with any valid or legitimate arguments for why I am wrong.
I love it when people I debate with try to shame someone into submission, especially on this topic, its just proof that everything I have said is 1000% true. You donât like what someone says so you beat them and bully them till they give up.
Basically:
~ I make a statement that the major problem with EvE retaining players is toxicity, and ganking (or some other form of harassment).
You all say No it isnâtâŚ
And then spend the next several months doing exactly that trying to get us to stop suggesting CCP change ganking mechanics and focus on reducing the toxicity of EvE, By Insulting, Harassing, ganking, and shaming those who broach this topic on these forums.
~ All, you all have done is prove everything I have said correct. With your own actions, on live forums threads.
So thank you. My evidence⌠Is all of you. And it is absolutely Irrefutable. Just read the threads.
Thatâs because the only things youâve said are some invented data points and claims of someone saying something without providing a shred of evidence that they did.
Okay, great! Now what are you going to do about it?
Have you considered writing in to your local government representative about this important matter?
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I already had this conversation with CCP.
And if it wasnât a violation of forums rules I would post the entire ticket conversation. However since I can;t post the ticket Iâll give the high lights:
They fully admit and acknowledge several things:
- The current methodology players are using for Ganking is in fact an exploit and violation of the Eula. As this is not how the mechanic was intended to be used, and the current way EvE works, the consequence is not a consequence at all and has no effect on the ganker nor discourages them in any way. âloopholesâ essentially that CCP canât âCurrentlyâ change without irrelevantly screwing up the game because of all the systems involved that they would have to change, and they do not see it as a priority currently to dedicate the time to fixing it.
Which is why they are not banning for it.
- That they are fully aware many of the people ganking in highsec are botting or using a mimic program. But Banning these accounts and IPâs would be Financially problematic. Your talking about 10âs of 1000s of Dollars a month in revenue being lost.
- That one of the Major reasons people cancel their subscriptions, is because of Toxic Behavior. including the imbalance in consequences for those being ganked and those ganking. However they are reticent to fix or implement any change that could fix this because EvE is supposed to be Dystopian, and Anarchic. But they recognize they are in fact bleeding more players every year then join.
~ You all need to get your heads out of the sand. You canât see the problem because you âareâ part of the problem and if your not, your so far removed from it with your personal playstyle that you just simply do not see it.
Oh, well if CCP stated that ganking is an exploit, that changes everything.
@Aiko_Danuja, please send out orders to cease Safety.'s ganking operations immediately.
While I understand your being sarcastic,
Why would you stop? They are not going to make an official post. Nor are they going to do anything about it.
They literally said that.
I am simply pointing out that if we as a player base want eve to grow we have to do â â â â ourselves, because CCP isnât going to.
Why wouldnât they make an official post about something thatâs âan exploit and violation of the Eulaâ?
All they have to do is add it to the known exploit list and players would stop ganking, because the activity would now lead to account action. They donât even need to âfixâ anything, because just the threat of official account action would be enough.
Yes, you seem incoherent.
Itâs not, post away.
Thereâs a few reasons,
If they came out publicly and said:
"Hey after careful review we have found several systems to be in conflict and cause the activity known as Ganking in High security space and the way it is currently done to avoid itâs intended consequence as an Exploit.
We understand this is a major part of EvE and will interupt many players preferred style of playing the game, however we are working to resolve the issue as quickly as possible. Until such time however this activity will now be considered a bannable offence as it is an Exploit and therefore in violation of the Eula.
We apologize for this inconvenience."
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They wouldnât do it because they have no intention at this point in time of fixing it or devoting resources to the issue. And since it would disrupt a major part of EvE they would have to full steam devote all resources to resolving it as fast as possible.
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It would have drastic effects on the Non-Gankers, and Carebears, and many who fled to null (which lets be honest in 2023 is literally the safest space in EvE) and lowsec would come back to highsec.
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They would lose 15% to 20% of their current Omega Base. Whoâs only playstyle and playtime is âGanking in Highsecâ. I mean I can think of about 300 accounts on my Alliances redlist in our area alone that would quit. And thatâs just one small area of Empire space bordering our Nullsec.
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Money. Or rather the Loss of it.
So your argument is that CCP lost control of their own game?
CCP has said multiple times in multiple interviews, that they lost control of the game years ago. lol. The game is player driven and their general response is âWe simply maintain itâ.
Sure they add content here and there, some for better, some for the worse. But overall they generally donât touch the core mechanics unless it is absolutely required.
The same is true for Ganking. Eventually they will fix it. But ONLY, when it is absolutely required. Granted by that time itâll probably be too late. But who knows. EvE could die, and have a resurgence. Wouldnât be the first time.
