Chaos Era Continues - Cyno Update

[Nepsy]

But then how will the people rat in carriers in order to plex in a week? They just want to play for free and believe they deserve it once they get a carrier

[Sgt_Ocker]

@Tappits

If people are paying for an account and it only has 3 cynos on it there doing it wrong… if they have been doing this tho what skills have they been training for months/years on these paid accounts were they are going to be nowhere near being able to use T2 frigs and Cyno 5?

All my cynos are alts on accounts i otherwise use daily. I trained my cynos to do a specific job then switched back to training the allts on those accounts that did more than light a cyno for logistics.

[Sgt_Ocker]

The longer this goes on the more CCP Rise shows - They don’t have a clue what they are doing when it comes to any sort of “balance” with this “era of chaos”

At least 3 times in the first 40 minutes he said they are aware this is hurting small/er groups more than the Blocs.

[Tappits]

So just do that again then? whats the problem?

[Offline_Alt]

All you logistics folks imagining that training cyno 5 on your cyno characters is the solution have a remarkable lack of adaptability and imagination. I will enjoy killing your Jump Freighters.

The JF pilots who can figure out how to operate in this environment will likewise enjoy your inability to compete.

[Sgt_Ocker]

@Tappits

So just do that again then? whats the problem?

1. I don’t have the isk to throw 40+ skill injectors at training up cynos
2. I’ve always been a backup JF for my alliance so it doesn’t get used often
3. I’m in a small Sov holding group - Much of my JF work was moving manufactured items to highsec for sale and alliance contracts back - As our industrial activities have been hit hard by recent changes, there just isn’t enough freight to justify training up 6 more alts I’ll barely use.
4. Right now letting the subs on my indy alts lapse is looking far more appealing (and cost effective) than skilling up existing cyno alts for no gain.,.
5. The way things are now it is cheaper for me to pay someone else to bring the few things i need from highsec and i can put 10 bil back in my wallet by selling my JF.

[Tappits]

Then don’t do it anymore… No one is forceing you to spend anything on injectors or even train skills… If you feal its not worth doing you just don’t do it… If its needed to be done some one elce will step up.

[Sgt_Ocker]

@Tappits

Then don’t do it anymore

Sadly that is becoming the theme for the game for groups like mine.
Not only when it comes to JF though, it is right through all activities - Don’t do it anymore.
Certain groups are seeing lower than usual activity, regions of space are deserted wastelands.

Don’t do it, adapt or leave, just quit, no-one is forcing you to… and so on, isn’t good for the game.

I don’t want to play a “game” that creates more stress and is more time consuming than day to day life - As this is CCP’s declared goals - Make the game harder, more stressful, require more effort - I’m not committing more than i have to while waiting to see how this turns out.,.

[Nepsy]

Bye then. Sucks to be JF pilots, but if you can’t handle the rising costs then it’s better to leave. If you don’t want to play the game, nobody’s forcing you to

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@Kithran

And how pray tell is shooting a covops frigate that can’t move an improvement - is this another example of ‘elite’ pvp?

31337 PvP. Is there any other kind?

The traditional rookie ship with cyno was the go-to for logistics because the cyno guaranteed everyone knew where it was and you didn’t really need to defend, nor was it worth doing so, after the 10 seconds it took to jump in your stuff.

It seems that people are complaining that the changes mean they have to train covert ops and train cyno to 5, but that’s not what they should be complaining about. For an army of logo cyno alts the new requirements are not efficient, yet its ignoring two key aspects that are now almost an afterthought in eve.

Its the prevalence, nay, its the expectation that one person can multi box their way into any activity that’s wrong here.

Eve is a game that favours teamwork. Once a player reaches the point where they purchase a JF and they don’t have anyone else in their corp/alliance that has covert operations and cyno to 5, it has to be said, that corporation/alliance is FAILING its member players.

That’s what is really bugging folk. They want their gameplay to be all about doing stuff by themselves because the rest of the organisation won’t invest in skills outside of those for 31337 PvP.

Easier to say the change is bad, than to accept their fellow capsules are the limitation.

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@Black_Pedro

What do you mean, there’s been a massive migration of the player-base to null over the last three years - just look at the stats here:

I’ll wait and see what the MER indicates, since it says a lot more about the state of Null when you see where people move their assets, as opposed to the activity of 30 bombers all camping the same system, or hordes of bored high SP players milling about hoping something will show up soon so the dread bomb/super umbrella has something to seal club.

[Kat_Aisele]

Yes. Let’s spend more of our time grinding so we don’t have to put money into CCP’s wallet. That’s the answer right there. Are you really complaining because people can rat in a carrier and plex their account in a week?! That rookie numbers friend. When moon mining is in full swing I can plex an account in 5 hours. What’s the problem with that? I’ve sunk enough money & spent enough time perfecting my skills that I should be able to do whatever I want in this game.

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@Manfred_Hideous

Gating 20 jumps to attack a structure today would probably make half of us commit boredom suicide.

If the strategic worth is great enough, the travel is irrelevant. What is lamented is the instant combat gratification. Traveling is the vegetables of the meal, you don’t get the desert if you don’t eat them.

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@AspiB_elt

CCP add citadel but we can’t remove rigs

Actually, CCP said in their initial presentation on citadels that rigs would be removable then they later quietly backtracked. That could be argued to be worse.

[Nepsy]

Nothing wrong with that, but why would you complain about it suddenly getting harder to do so? Seems like CCP has incentive to make it harder so that the people who wouldn’t pay do start paying

[Kat_Aisele]

Because when was the last time you saw CCP add something that actually helps players? All they do is take, take, and take some more. Everything they do is aimed at getting more money into their pockets, not bettering the quality of the game for the players. The last thing anyone on here WANTS to do is spend more of their time grinding for plex. I have 4 accounts, I pay out of pocket for 2 and plex the others. I think that is absolutely fair, yet CCP is doing everything in their power to make sure players like me are punished for having the ability to plex accounts in a reasonable amount of time.

[Nepsy]

@Kat_Aisele

Because when was the last time you saw CCP add something that actually helps players?

This change will help me a lot. Now that people have a harder time carrier ratting, there’s less isk in the game overall and as a result plex prices go down. Now it’s easier for me, who doesn’t carrier rat, to plex.

@Kat_Aisele

players like me are punished for having the ability to plex accounts in a reasonable amount of time.

You could always go into wormholes if you wanted to plex in a reasonable amount of time, or even just pay for a sub.

[Festmester_Uctionsson]

I just realized that cloaky nullified T3C will be the strongest in the meta post cyno changes.

Nullsec is otherwise relatively safe during active defensive efforts because:

• Nullified ships can’t cyno
• Covops ships can’t be nullified

But then you have T3Cs such as Slippery Petes, able to ignore every defensive effort, essentially being the new Fozzyclaws of Blackout. They can:

• Be nullified (bypass interdiction)
• Be cloaky (bypass targeting)
• Ability to light covert cyno
• Refit to full combat once in system

This means they can just warp into an actively camped system as they please, light a covert cyno, bring in a force recon or blops that can in turn use regular cyno for the ultimate stealth blob drop.

The idea behind the cyno changes are nice, but you put ALL the power in the hands of nullified covops cloaked ships (T3C). This is getting ridiculous.

[Kat_Aisele]

You just don’t get it friend. It’s not like I just waved a magic wand and got my skills to where they are at now. I paid real money, spent real time and had to help develop the infrastructure my alliance has to support all the null sec isk we make by ratting, mining and exploring. I had to earn it, and now CCP is targeting our efforts. It might be great for the little guy who flys a slasher but for those of use who have invested into this heavily, it sucks. I’m not apart of one do the huge null-sec empires either. My alliance is small and my coalition is medium. I’m getting ripped off

[Nepsy]

Huh, so when titan DD’s were changed to not instantly delete the grid, and changed so that they couldn’t be fired through cyno’s those people didn’t invest heavily and lose a lot. When rorqual mining yields were nerfed, those people didn’t lose a lot. Every change someone has to lose, even when ships are getting buffed. It just so happens that this time you, and other nullsec ratters/miners, lost and everyone else won