I’m not saying they didn’t learn it from us, but the decision to implement it into the current doctrine was probably not an easy choice. They can’t make the TTC for it a preexisting TTC numerology count since those are taken, and to make it higher than the Leshak’s TTC-729 is going to make something new, and bigger than it, probably their version of a dreadnought.
But since that seems more resource intensive than is necessary and probably beyond their willingness to produce at the moment - not necessarily beyond their capacity - then they had to make it outside of the normal doctrine, something they don’t take lightly.
If every ship size is up from 3, ie frig=3, destroyer=9, cruiser=81 and so on, where is TTC-27? That’s 3*9, and as far as we can tell, there’s no intermediary stage between destroyer and cruiser, so what is it?
And something a friend suggested, mayhaps the disparity between TTC-72 and the other vessels is a purpose of functions, a base of 1 would be transport, a base of 2 or multiplicative thereof would be logi, and the base of 3 and so on would be normal doctrine, or combat vessels.
It could be that they use 3 a lot but save non-base-3 pairs for non-standard or alternative vessels that are not one part transport, one part logi, one part combat, thus making three. TTC-72 could be one part transport, one part logi, but the last part is missing, leaving it as a base of 2.
Could be ships we haven’t seen because they don’t have an application in Abyssal space. Covops frigate doesn’t. We don’t see T2 ships either, or T3, but that is probably a function of their technology or location; specialised to use Iso-10 and without access to wormhole space. I’m not saying they couidn’t access wormholes, but they studiously avoid it, which is probably due to the Drifter and Sleeper presence.
Covops and T2 are not Triglavian originals, but are mods made by the Society of Conscious Thought and the Amarrians respectively, therein as far as we’ve been told.
But as for the mysterious TTC-27 and TTC-72, they might not natively see service in abyssal space and might instead see fighting on fronts outside of the Triglavian territories.
I meant homegrown ones. there are versions but not made by Triglavians, as far as we know. What I meant was that we don’t see Triglavians in the Triglavian equivalent of an Astero because there is nothing to scan down in Abyssal space, and probes die almost immediately. Our current tech 2 industry relies on wormhole products and T3 is dependent on Sleeper salvage. If Triglavians have equivalents to those kind of ships it would have to be based on tech we haven’t seen yet.
I saw someone link 2 cloaky precurser ships in a channel i forgot to save them but one was a cruiser that had a recon skill and cov ops cloaking device.
We’re learning from them as for t2 ships that’s done through invention and a big factor in building t2 is morphite we don’t know if they have morphite.
Something interesting to note. To date there are the TTC-3, 9, 72, 81, 243, and 729, which we know as the Damavik, Kikimora, Rodiva, Vedmak, Drekavac, and Leshak. All of those follow trends of upwards in multiples of 3, as we are familiar with at this time.
There are only two outliers. The first is TTC-72, the Rodiva. It is not a 3* upwards of 3 and so on like we are familiar with, but instead a multiplicative of 3 that when divided by 3 twice is 8. Hm. Stranger still, “Rodiva” is not a subclade name like the other designs. It is made by the Collective - unlike the T2 variant - but it breaks every single trend recorded to date! And it isn’t even combat capable unless you decide to slap on some turrets - which among the other ships is virtually impossible.
The second is the nature of the TTC-27? In the trend going up from frigate to battleship the trend remains a constant but skips a single step in the whole chain, between the TTC-9 and TTC-81, the Kikimora and the Vedmak. Logically it’s between the two and likely remains between a destroyer and cruiser in strength. It’s a double digit like the Vedmak but not even half of it, or the Rodiva’s number.
So? I imagine for now TTC-27 has no hull yet, and might even be classified, but it will in time. Interesting to see how it will turn out.
Addendum: I was so focused on the TTC-27 that I completely overlooked the TTC-72 and how much of an anomaly it is.
((And I just realized that 27 would be 3 of 3 in the chain, 3 to the 3rd power. HL3 confirmed. Or if the TTC-27 never comes out will remain an urban legend. I’m going to feed this to darkezero’s meme hoard now.))
Another anomaly! I realized this shortly before falling asleep the night before. Of all of the standard Triglavian designs made for combat - the Rodiva being something they specifically borrowed from us - all of them, except for the Leshak, have an entropic disintegrator placement of one up, two down, including the Kikimora and the Drekavac which are the newest to the combat/militant line.
But the Leshak has two up on it’s big arms and one down, inverted compared to the others. And after getting to see its size compared to even a sizable Drekavac I can say it is, how would Darke put it, a “heccin chonker”.
Could The Struggle mean life? Being Outside the Struggle would then mean virtual state like Infomorph or Sleeper.
Intruders seek to corrupt the Flow of Vyraj and the Domain of Buyan.
Koschoi Fun fact, beside being powerful wizard or deity of the underworld or Death itself, Koschoi is refered to as a prisoner or a slave. Also there is a chest, which is buried under an oak, in which there is a rabbit, in which there is a duck, in which where is an egg, in which there is a needle, which is the death of Koschoi, and this oak stands on the Island of Buyan.
As a wild guess, could Koschoi be the Other (from Templar One), and The Convocation of Triglav Outside the Struggle be the Others?
Nobody knows about the Other, or Others in character. Koschoi to me reads like a capsuleer, soul in a needle in an egg, its the whole interface pod thing going on. I’m really impressed with how well the Slavic tales relate. There are various interpretations of the Struggle. “There were clues, even back then,” Grious said, “about the Enheduanni’s struggle.”
There are many references in ship descriptions and other stuff Triglavian to some Tactical, Strategic or Technical or other type of Troika thing and I think that those are individuals, each having 3 personalities.
Sansha somehow invaded 3TTC i.e. a Damavik, which resulted in Narodnya part of it’s personality to get corrupted and Koschoi and Navka parts of it’s personality made decision to self destruct.
This one is unreleased so it’s hard to interpret. But looks to me it’s another example of inner dialogue between Narodnya, Navka and Koschoi of the same individual.
I think subclades are actually individuals each having a Troika in their head. Clades are Troika’s of higher order with subclades being it’s inner personalities. Then whole Triglavian race is an individual consisting of all 3 clades as inner personalities.
Thus Drifters are complete opposite of Triglavians, with every Drifter being a copy of the same mind and every Triglavian being a collective of minds.
And there are also Sansha and Rogue drones, and all of them are incompatible with each other. Cool stuff.